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yeah, i usual tend to leave to people to infer details. this way they can come to their own conclusions and no, it's not weird. it's common on ycombinator. in

by tguvot 3y ago

yeah, i usual tend to leave to people to infer details. this way they can come to their own conclusions and no, it's not weird. it's common on ycombinator. in general i find it troubling that statement by hamas taken by everybody at face value, without ask for any proofs (besides 20 sec footage of something burning and 30 sec of doctors taking care of somebody somewhere there was absolutely nothing backing 500 dead and more under rubble). on the other side when idf publishes videos, photos, call intercepts, radar plotes, etc; it's "well, IDF has history of killing people and lying. we will reserve our judgement till we will see this confirmed by independent investigation".

seanmcdirmid 3y ago
I think conclusion followed by reasoning is more common on HN. Both sides have a history of "the other side has a history of killing people and lying, we will reserve our judgement". BOTH sides have a history of killing people and lying about it. But then on both sides there are a lot of innocent people being killed regardless.
- tguvot 3y ago
  despite common belief, IDF tends to own mistakes and if there was some kind of breach of rules of engagement - off to jail you go.it doesn't mean that idf doesn't kill anybody. it means that things not white and black as they seen on tv. there was entertaining thread on reddit a few days ago, where people were searching for "widely documented mass rapes by idf". the only documentation going back to statements from 1969 or so. after this everybody were split into 3 camps: - very good in coverup (kinda impossible given amount of human rights organizations that document everything) - idf dehumanizes palestinians so idf is repulsed from idea of rape - idf actually has some moral backbon
  - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
    I get it, Israel is the better run country in this regard, and the Palestinians barely have a functioning government (and what government they have functions away from Gaza in the west bank), Hamas is basically a terrorist organization. But the Israeli hasn't been acting in very good faith lately, aside from the outlandish accusations leveraged against them, Netanyahu is a very nationalistic/right wing leader, who had to unilaterally reform the judiciary to make it less independent to avoid legal sanction.

by tguvot 3y ago

seanmcdirmid 3y ago

I think conclusion followed by reasoning is more common on HN. Both sides have a history of "the other side has a history of killing people and lying, we will reserve our judgement". BOTH sides have a history of killing people and lying about it. But then on both sides there are a lot of innocent people being killed regardless.

tguvot 3y ago
despite common belief, IDF tends to own mistakes and if there was some kind of breach of rules of engagement - off to jail you go.it doesn't mean that idf doesn't kill anybody. it means that things not white and black as they seen on tv. there was entertaining thread on reddit a few days ago, where people were searching for "widely documented mass rapes by idf". the only documentation going back to statements from 1969 or so. after this everybody were split into 3 camps: - very good in coverup (kinda impossible given amount of human rights organizations that document everything) - idf dehumanizes palestinians so idf is repulsed from idea of rape - idf actually has some moral backbon
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  I get it, Israel is the better run country in this regard, and the Palestinians barely have a functioning government (and what government they have functions away from Gaza in the west bank), Hamas is basically a terrorist organization. But the Israeli hasn't been acting in very good faith lately, aside from the outlandish accusations leveraged against them, Netanyahu is a very nationalistic/right wing leader, who had to unilaterally reform the judiciary to make it less independent to avoid legal sanction.