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I love seeing theses things in my neighborhood. Delivery trucks make the most noise after garbage trucks and assholes with modified exhausts. (edit I left off l

I love seeing theses things in my neighborhood. Delivery trucks make the most noise after garbage trucks and assholes with modified exhausts. (edit I left off landscaping crews because that insanity just makes me angry so I guess I disappear it from my mind when at all possible) The drivers tell me they hate them because they report every speed limit violation to their bosses. Sounds great to me!

ethagknight 3y ago
There is zero reason why landscaping and construction equipment can't have basic noise abatement features. Especially the worst noise offenders like ride-on mowers and backpack blowers. A little muffler goes a long way
qup 3y ago
Total tangent, but a street a couple of blocks away has been getting resurfaced, and man! Some piece of heavy equipment sounds like a diesel truck idling a few meters away. I can't believe how much the noise transfers. > speed limit I'd probably have to quit that job. I at least need the autonomy to drive the vehicle if I'm the one risking my life in it This seems like the future, though. I'm sure some tech will be developed to do this to everyone, probably with a punitive system attached, per usual.
- denimnerd42 3y ago
  Yeah but seeing these delivery trucks and ride share based delivery cars accelerating as fast as possible and stopping as fast as possible over and over again in your neighborhood where your kids play outside is not so great.
- InitialLastName 3y ago
  If you're driving a delivery truck in a residential neighborhood, most of the people around you are at FAR more risk than you are. If I'm operating (and liable for) a fleet of such vehicles, I'm going to do everything I can to ensure the operators are doing so safely (especially in the face of incentivizing them to also operate efficiently).
- LeifCarrotson 3y ago
  You need the autonomy to break the law while on the clock and endanger yourself and those around you without it being reported? Why?
  - Analemma_ 3y ago
    Because Amazon also fires drivers if they don't manage an insane pace of deliveries-per-hour. Speeding is basically the only way you can meet the target they set. So it's pretty shitty of Amazon to put drivers in this Catch-22.
    - mcfedr 3y ago
      Maybe that would actually help you to prove if you are being asked to do something unreasonable
    - denimnerd42 3y ago
      sounds more fair to drivers if everyone is policed equally. otherwise like you say, they are forced to speed. if you want to drive safely you can't and also keep your job. whereas now the metrics will show what is reasonable.
    - Fernicia 3y ago
      Is your behavioural model of Amazon that they are trying to maximise firings?
      - whaleofatw2022 3y ago
        Maximizing profit. It's a large chunk of logistics. When EDL (electronic data logging) became mandatory a crapton of drivers left the industry because they could no longer fudge records. The labor churn is an unintended, and ignored side effect.
      - reverius42 3y ago
        I think they're definitely trying to maximize _cause_ for firings, such that if and when they do firings, they can't (as easily) be accused of firing for wrongful cause.
- Philip-J-Fry 3y ago
  >I'd probably have to quit that job. I at least need the autonomy to drive the vehicle if I'm the one risking my life in it Speed limits are less about you and more about everyone else around you. Your autonomy means nothing to the mother and child driving the limit when you smash and kill them.
  - serf 3y ago
    Let's be real here for a moment. Amazon didn't implement a system like that 'For The Children', they did it to limit their liability and produce goodwill/leniency/court-appeal for when, if ever, they need it. It produces a very nice after-effect of additional safety, but it's not the raison d'etre.
    - jchw 3y ago
      Yeah, but that's a little beside the point: the liability and social pressure exists (in part) for that reason, especially since without it we all kind of understand what companies like Amazon would do.
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    - eyjafjallajokul 3y ago
      I don't think the comment implied that it was the "raison d'etre". A company who has employees on the road should strive to make them follow the law. If the vehicles are owned by corporation XYZ, the drivers are employed by corporation XYZ -- it stands to reason that they should ensure that laws are followed. e.g. that the drivers have valid licenses, they are authorized for employment in the region they are employed, etc. Why should following speed limits trigger this train of thought?
    - rnk 3y ago
      Yeah, everyone knows that these hourly workers get impossible schedules that have every moment allocated and they can't recover when something slows them down, speeding is one way to get there.
- floxy 3y ago
  >This seems like the future, though Seems like that is in a race with outlawing human operated drivers once autonomous vehicles become the norm.
lsllc 3y ago
The one that bothers me the most is landscaping trucks with trailers driving down the street (too fast!) bouncing over potholes with all of the mowers etc banging about in the back. Usually 6:30am-ish as they go to their first job of the day ... which usually starts with the mowers (and this time of the year the leaf blowers) around 7am.
- denimnerd42 3y ago
  ugh don't even get me started on landscaping crews. I want to start a business to displace all of these guys on my surrounding streets using solely electric equipment. I'll even run it at a loss just for my sanity. My neighbors are importing this crap to my neighborhood and some of them realize it and others are oblivious I guess. Here in my area they blow all year around even if there's no need for it.
  - whyenot 3y ago
    Switching to electric is better for everyone. Almost everyone I know in the arborist/landscaping industry has some degree of hearing loss.
    - wutwutwat 3y ago
      Good luck cutting down a 60 year oak tree with an 18v electric chainsaw, or aerating a lawn going back and forth with a heavy steam roller-like machine with hallow spikes on the drum, or cutting inches into the earth while a second blade slices all the grass roots at the same time (edging) or digging fence post holes with an electric auger Commercial grade gas powered landscaping tools can't be replaced with consumer grade electric alternatives, or even consumer grade gas powered ones, not unless huge strides have been made in the tech and power output. Pro grade mowers are upwards of 10k and run hundreds of miles a day, every day, often in the rain. I don't see that being replaced with a EV type setup. Throwing gas in something is way faster and less error prone than quick chargers, battery swaps, or dealing with a bunch of electronics that are always deployed into dirty, wet, and unexpected envs
s5300 3y ago
>> The drivers tell me they hate them because they report every speed limit violation to their bosses. Sounds great to me! To be fair, they probably essentially have to speed to meet their quotas, else they have very serious & real consequences. If Amazon didn’t try to completely milk drivers for all they’re worth, I’d feel better about the detection/auto reporting. Yes it sucks they’re speeding thru residential areas, but they’re essentially pushed to it.
762236 3y ago
To avoid being a hypocrite, I have no landscaping crew. I'll consider one once they're using battery-powered equipment.
- agloe_dreams 3y ago
  I bought a house two months ago and have about a quater of an acre of mowable grass. I bought an 80v Greenworks Pro push mower for the job and can litteraly mow the whole lawn in one of the two batteries I have. The biggest thing for battery push mowers is that not only is it less finicky and quieter..but the VIBRATION. My hands thank me compared to gas. I really think that for push mowers (riding is a little different) short of the bottom of the market, there is no reason to buy a gas push mower anymore. That market is dead.
  - mcpackieh 3y ago
    When it comes time to replace the batteries for your electric mower, you might consider getting an oldschool "reel" mower (the sort with no motor.) You might have to mow more often since they work better with shorter grass, but for a quarter of an acre they're pretty reasonable. The big advantage over an electric motor is lower operating costs in the long term. Of course it depends on what kind of grass you have.
  - hoten 3y ago
    You mow one large yard every couple weeks. Landscapers mow multiple in a day. It's already a low paying gig, with how expensive batteries are I don't think they'll be using electric equipment anytime soon.
    - bdcravens 3y ago
      I've heard of landscapers moving to Ford Lightnings and charging equipment on-site (and maybe while driving?). Of course, those are roughly $100k each so those are probably landscapers with much higher margins than your typical residential landscaper.
jackmott42 3y ago
The one driver I asked said he loved it
- trgn 3y ago
  Speed limiters should be an on all vehicles, especially commercial ones. Speed limiters are virtuous technology; they remove a source of dont-ask-dont-tell coercion for delivery drivers to beat a schedule. Slow(er) moving trucks and cars also make neighborhoods safer. It's win-win.
  - jabroni_salad 3y ago
    It also puts the screws on management who want to squeeze faster delivery times out of drivers but don't want to know where that time is coming from. "Oh no, of course I don't want you to speed! But I'm SURE you can come up with a way to do this route in 50 minutes instead of 60! If not, I bet we can find someone that can."
bkjelden 3y ago
I'm all for having the vans snitch on drivers. Delivery drivers are trying to get deliveries done so fast that they're by far the most wreckless drivers on residential streets in my suburban neighborhood.
- trgn 3y ago
  for sure. especially the doordashers. at least an amazon van usually has to make multiple stops on the same block.
  - jabroni_salad 3y ago
    I'm surprised they can go fast at all while squinting at my suburban house number artfully written in cursive on the eaves instead of something more utilitarian.
    - dylan604 3y ago
      You should replace that font with the Highway Gothic font for highway signs. That'll show the HOA!
  - dylan604 3y ago
    for some time now, i've noticed that the delivery app folks have had other people in their car. i know as a teen, my friends and i would just drive around hanging out with no real purpose. now, they can still do that, but make some cash while doing it.
    - ashbee 3y ago
      I doubt that people driving for Amazon could get away with this. I think I read somewhere they have inwardly pointed cameras in delivery vans now?
      - dylan604 3y ago
        the person i responded to specifically said doordashers. looks like you skipped over that part
wenc 3y ago
> Delivery trucks make the most noise after garbage trucks and assholes with modified exhausts. Is this a common experience? I don’t think I’ve ever noticed delivery truck noise. I’m talking vans and UPS trucks etc. Bus noise on the other hand…
- crazygringo 3y ago
  I'm with you. Delivery trucks make zero extra noise. On the other hand, garbage trucks, parks department trucks, emergency vehicles, ice cream trucks, four wheelers, motorcycles... Delivery trucks aren't on my list of noise nuisances at all.
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ethagknight 3y ago

There is zero reason why landscaping and construction equipment can't have basic noise abatement features. Especially the worst noise offenders like ride-on mowers and backpack blowers. A little muffler goes a long way

qup 3y ago

Total tangent, but a street a couple of blocks away has been getting resurfaced, and man! Some piece of heavy equipment sounds like a diesel truck idling a few meters away. I can't believe how much the noise transfers. > speed limit I'd probably have to quit that job. I at least need the autonomy to drive the vehicle if I'm the one risking my life in it This seems like the future, though. I'm sure some tech will be developed to do this to everyone, probably with a punitive system attached, per usual.

denimnerd42 3y ago
Yeah but seeing these delivery trucks and ride share based delivery cars accelerating as fast as possible and stopping as fast as possible over and over again in your neighborhood where your kids play outside is not so great.
InitialLastName 3y ago
If you're driving a delivery truck in a residential neighborhood, most of the people around you are at FAR more risk than you are. If I'm operating (and liable for) a fleet of such vehicles, I'm going to do everything I can to ensure the operators are doing so safely (especially in the face of incentivizing them to also operate efficiently).
LeifCarrotson 3y ago
You need the autonomy to break the law while on the clock and endanger yourself and those around you without it being reported? Why?
- Analemma_ 3y ago
  Because Amazon also fires drivers if they don't manage an insane pace of deliveries-per-hour. Speeding is basically the only way you can meet the target they set. So it's pretty shitty of Amazon to put drivers in this Catch-22.
  - mcfedr 3y ago
    Maybe that would actually help you to prove if you are being asked to do something unreasonable
  - denimnerd42 3y ago
    sounds more fair to drivers if everyone is policed equally. otherwise like you say, they are forced to speed. if you want to drive safely you can't and also keep your job. whereas now the metrics will show what is reasonable.
  - Fernicia 3y ago
    Is your behavioural model of Amazon that they are trying to maximise firings?
    - whaleofatw2022 3y ago
      Maximizing profit. It's a large chunk of logistics. When EDL (electronic data logging) became mandatory a crapton of drivers left the industry because they could no longer fudge records. The labor churn is an unintended, and ignored side effect.
    - reverius42 3y ago
      I think they're definitely trying to maximize _cause_ for firings, such that if and when they do firings, they can't (as easily) be accused of firing for wrongful cause.
Philip-J-Fry 3y ago
>I'd probably have to quit that job. I at least need the autonomy to drive the vehicle if I'm the one risking my life in it Speed limits are less about you and more about everyone else around you. Your autonomy means nothing to the mother and child driving the limit when you smash and kill them.
- serf 3y ago
  Let's be real here for a moment. Amazon didn't implement a system like that 'For The Children', they did it to limit their liability and produce goodwill/leniency/court-appeal for when, if ever, they need it. It produces a very nice after-effect of additional safety, but it's not the raison d'etre.
  - jchw 3y ago
    Yeah, but that's a little beside the point: the liability and social pressure exists (in part) for that reason, especially since without it we all kind of understand what companies like Amazon would do.
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - eyjafjallajokul 3y ago
    I don't think the comment implied that it was the "raison d'etre". A company who has employees on the road should strive to make them follow the law. If the vehicles are owned by corporation XYZ, the drivers are employed by corporation XYZ -- it stands to reason that they should ensure that laws are followed. e.g. that the drivers have valid licenses, they are authorized for employment in the region they are employed, etc. Why should following speed limits trigger this train of thought?
  - rnk 3y ago
    Yeah, everyone knows that these hourly workers get impossible schedules that have every moment allocated and they can't recover when something slows them down, speeding is one way to get there.
floxy 3y ago
>This seems like the future, though Seems like that is in a race with outlawing human operated drivers once autonomous vehicles become the norm.

lsllc 3y ago

The one that bothers me the most is landscaping trucks with trailers driving down the street (too fast!) bouncing over potholes with all of the mowers etc banging about in the back. Usually 6:30am-ish as they go to their first job of the day ... which usually starts with the mowers (and this time of the year the leaf blowers) around 7am.

denimnerd42 3y ago
ugh don't even get me started on landscaping crews. I want to start a business to displace all of these guys on my surrounding streets using solely electric equipment. I'll even run it at a loss just for my sanity. My neighbors are importing this crap to my neighborhood and some of them realize it and others are oblivious I guess. Here in my area they blow all year around even if there's no need for it.
- whyenot 3y ago
  Switching to electric is better for everyone. Almost everyone I know in the arborist/landscaping industry has some degree of hearing loss.
  - wutwutwat 3y ago
    Good luck cutting down a 60 year oak tree with an 18v electric chainsaw, or aerating a lawn going back and forth with a heavy steam roller-like machine with hallow spikes on the drum, or cutting inches into the earth while a second blade slices all the grass roots at the same time (edging) or digging fence post holes with an electric auger Commercial grade gas powered landscaping tools can't be replaced with consumer grade electric alternatives, or even consumer grade gas powered ones, not unless huge strides have been made in the tech and power output. Pro grade mowers are upwards of 10k and run hundreds of miles a day, every day, often in the rain. I don't see that being replaced with a EV type setup. Throwing gas in something is way faster and less error prone than quick chargers, battery swaps, or dealing with a bunch of electronics that are always deployed into dirty, wet, and unexpected envs

s5300 3y ago

>> The drivers tell me they hate them because they report every speed limit violation to their bosses. Sounds great to me! To be fair, they probably essentially have to speed to meet their quotas, else they have very serious & real consequences. If Amazon didn’t try to completely milk drivers for all they’re worth, I’d feel better about the detection/auto reporting. Yes it sucks they’re speeding thru residential areas, but they’re essentially pushed to it.

762236 3y ago

To avoid being a hypocrite, I have no landscaping crew. I'll consider one once they're using battery-powered equipment.

agloe_dreams 3y ago
I bought a house two months ago and have about a quater of an acre of mowable grass. I bought an 80v Greenworks Pro push mower for the job and can litteraly mow the whole lawn in one of the two batteries I have. The biggest thing for battery push mowers is that not only is it less finicky and quieter..but the VIBRATION. My hands thank me compared to gas. I really think that for push mowers (riding is a little different) short of the bottom of the market, there is no reason to buy a gas push mower anymore. That market is dead.
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  When it comes time to replace the batteries for your electric mower, you might consider getting an oldschool "reel" mower (the sort with no motor.) You might have to mow more often since they work better with shorter grass, but for a quarter of an acre they're pretty reasonable. The big advantage over an electric motor is lower operating costs in the long term. Of course it depends on what kind of grass you have.
- hoten 3y ago
  You mow one large yard every couple weeks. Landscapers mow multiple in a day. It's already a low paying gig, with how expensive batteries are I don't think they'll be using electric equipment anytime soon.
  - bdcravens 3y ago
    I've heard of landscapers moving to Ford Lightnings and charging equipment on-site (and maybe while driving?). Of course, those are roughly $100k each so those are probably landscapers with much higher margins than your typical residential landscaper.

jackmott42 3y ago

The one driver I asked said he loved it

trgn 3y ago
Speed limiters should be an on all vehicles, especially commercial ones. Speed limiters are virtuous technology; they remove a source of dont-ask-dont-tell coercion for delivery drivers to beat a schedule. Slow(er) moving trucks and cars also make neighborhoods safer. It's win-win.
- jabroni_salad 3y ago
  It also puts the screws on management who want to squeeze faster delivery times out of drivers but don't want to know where that time is coming from. "Oh no, of course I don't want you to speed! But I'm SURE you can come up with a way to do this route in 50 minutes instead of 60! If not, I bet we can find someone that can."

bkjelden 3y ago

I'm all for having the vans snitch on drivers. Delivery drivers are trying to get deliveries done so fast that they're by far the most wreckless drivers on residential streets in my suburban neighborhood.

trgn 3y ago
for sure. especially the doordashers. at least an amazon van usually has to make multiple stops on the same block.
- jabroni_salad 3y ago
  I'm surprised they can go fast at all while squinting at my suburban house number artfully written in cursive on the eaves instead of something more utilitarian.
  - dylan604 3y ago
    You should replace that font with the Highway Gothic font for highway signs. That'll show the HOA!
- dylan604 3y ago
  for some time now, i've noticed that the delivery app folks have had other people in their car. i know as a teen, my friends and i would just drive around hanging out with no real purpose. now, they can still do that, but make some cash while doing it.
  - ashbee 3y ago
    I doubt that people driving for Amazon could get away with this. I think I read somewhere they have inwardly pointed cameras in delivery vans now?
    - dylan604 3y ago
      the person i responded to specifically said doordashers. looks like you skipped over that part

wenc 3y ago

> Delivery trucks make the most noise after garbage trucks and assholes with modified exhausts. Is this a common experience? I don’t think I’ve ever noticed delivery truck noise. I’m talking vans and UPS trucks etc. Bus noise on the other hand…

crazygringo 3y ago
I'm with you. Delivery trucks make zero extra noise. On the other hand, garbage trucks, parks department trucks, emergency vehicles, ice cream trucks, four wheelers, motorcycles... Delivery trucks aren't on my list of noise nuisances at all.

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