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I would never agree to that. They have no right to see my personal property. Several Walmarts I’ve been in have asked to see my receipt, the answer is always t

I would never agree to that. They have no right to see my personal property. Several Walmarts I’ve been in have asked to see my receipt, the answer is always the same: “No Thank You”, and if they persist I just ignore them.

cvccvroomvroom 3y ago
I think you're conflating reusable bags containing unpurchased products with women's purses.
dagw 3y ago
Filling your bags with stuff and barging out without paying has always been an option, even before self scanning. Advocating for it hardly gives you the moral high ground.
- SOLAR_FIELDS 3y ago
  One interesting thing to point out here is that OP doesn't appear to be advocating stealing. They are simply implying there is no legal basis for them asking to see your receipt. They can of course ban you from the store but they aren't going to do that simply for not showing your receipt unless it's obvious that you are stealing multiple times. This is actually different than how stores like Sam's Club or Costco work - these stores can force you to show the receipt because a condition of membership is that you must show the receipt. But in a store "generally accessible to the public" e.g. a non membership style store such as Sam's Club or Costco in the USA store employees cannot detain you or otherwise force you to show a receipt for something that you paid for - as grandparent says it's your property at that point. I typically show the receipt at Walmart if its not going to be an inconvenience for me. But the other day I had bought a heavy car battery and a jump starter kit and my hands were full and I wasn't about to put all of that down to show off a receipt. So I politely declined and kept walking and that was it. It's kind of like cops and searching your vehicle - they can always ask and you can always decline. They have the technology to figure out if you're actually stealing or not, so if they know you are, and they know, then they'll simply just ban you from the store. If not, then they aren't going to arbitrarily ban you.
  - dagw 3y ago
    They are simply implying there is no legal basis for them asking to see your receipt. But surely there is a legal basis to prevent you from leaving the store with groceries before you have paid for them. When you walk through the normal checkout and they ask you to put everything on the conveyor so that they can scan it, are you allowed to say "no thank you" and just walk out? If that is not OK, I fail to see the difference.
    - SOLAR_FIELDS 3y ago
      The key here is that OP has paid for their groceries. Once the transaction completes, the groceries are their property. OP has no obligation to prove to anyone that they own their own property after that (except in the case of Costco and Sam's club, which you of course don't have to prove either, but they will revoke your membership if you don't). In your scenario, you haven't paid for the groceries yet. So they are still the store's property. And they can of course take measures to protect their property while it's still in their possession. Receipt checking, by definition, always happens after the transaction has completed and the payer has taken possession of the groceries, hence the receipt. So receipt checking is always a practice to verify that your already lawfully purchased groceries match up with what you are removing from the store. This is a practice, while rooted in a perspective that benefits the store, that you have no obligation whatsoever to comply with. The store, as mentioned above, has no obligation to let you back into the store (they can ban you), but they also have no right to detain you and force you to prove that you own your belongings as you are leaving either. And a store is not going to ban someone unless they are completely sure they have stolen something. So in practice there is really no issue with telling receipt checkers to pound sand for trying to verify my lawfully purchased groceries. I usually don't, because it feels standoffish for no reason sometimes, and you risk encountering someone that doesn't fully understand the law correctly. But if I have a good reason, as mentioned above, I will definitely tell them to pound sand. I realize now rereading the thread how these two scenarios became conflated, because OP responded to the "before purchase" scenario that you provided with an "after purchase" scenario. So we are really talking about two different scenarios here.
      - 3y ago

cvccvroomvroom 3y ago

I think you're conflating reusable bags containing unpurchased products with women's purses.

dagw 3y ago

Filling your bags with stuff and barging out without paying has always been an option, even before self scanning. Advocating for it hardly gives you the moral high ground.

SOLAR_FIELDS 3y ago
One interesting thing to point out here is that OP doesn't appear to be advocating stealing. They are simply implying there is no legal basis for them asking to see your receipt. They can of course ban you from the store but they aren't going to do that simply for not showing your receipt unless it's obvious that you are stealing multiple times. This is actually different than how stores like Sam's Club or Costco work - these stores can force you to show the receipt because a condition of membership is that you must show the receipt. But in a store "generally accessible to the public" e.g. a non membership style store such as Sam's Club or Costco in the USA store employees cannot detain you or otherwise force you to show a receipt for something that you paid for - as grandparent says it's your property at that point. I typically show the receipt at Walmart if its not going to be an inconvenience for me. But the other day I had bought a heavy car battery and a jump starter kit and my hands were full and I wasn't about to put all of that down to show off a receipt. So I politely declined and kept walking and that was it. It's kind of like cops and searching your vehicle - they can always ask and you can always decline. They have the technology to figure out if you're actually stealing or not, so if they know you are, and they know, then they'll simply just ban you from the store. If not, then they aren't going to arbitrarily ban you.
- dagw 3y ago
  They are simply implying there is no legal basis for them asking to see your receipt. But surely there is a legal basis to prevent you from leaving the store with groceries before you have paid for them. When you walk through the normal checkout and they ask you to put everything on the conveyor so that they can scan it, are you allowed to say "no thank you" and just walk out? If that is not OK, I fail to see the difference.
  - SOLAR_FIELDS 3y ago
    The key here is that OP has paid for their groceries. Once the transaction completes, the groceries are their property. OP has no obligation to prove to anyone that they own their own property after that (except in the case of Costco and Sam's club, which you of course don't have to prove either, but they will revoke your membership if you don't). In your scenario, you haven't paid for the groceries yet. So they are still the store's property. And they can of course take measures to protect their property while it's still in their possession. Receipt checking, by definition, always happens after the transaction has completed and the payer has taken possession of the groceries, hence the receipt. So receipt checking is always a practice to verify that your already lawfully purchased groceries match up with what you are removing from the store. This is a practice, while rooted in a perspective that benefits the store, that you have no obligation whatsoever to comply with. The store, as mentioned above, has no obligation to let you back into the store (they can ban you), but they also have no right to detain you and force you to prove that you own your belongings as you are leaving either. And a store is not going to ban someone unless they are completely sure they have stolen something. So in practice there is really no issue with telling receipt checkers to pound sand for trying to verify my lawfully purchased groceries. I usually don't, because it feels standoffish for no reason sometimes, and you risk encountering someone that doesn't fully understand the law correctly. But if I have a good reason, as mentioned above, I will definitely tell them to pound sand. I realize now rereading the thread how these two scenarios became conflated, because OP responded to the "before purchase" scenario that you provided with an "after purchase" scenario. So we are really talking about two different scenarios here.
    - 3y ago