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> Is there a difference? If you defund the police completely, isn't that basically the same as abolishing? It’s hard to believe you’re being genuine only becau

> Is there a difference? If you defund the police completely, isn't that basically the same as abolishing? It’s hard to believe you’re being genuine only because, since the beginning, “defund the police” meant reallocating funds to reduce the amount going to cops. I’d understand if this were the first time you’ve heard of this, but it’s been a slogan for years and has been implemented in enough places that a cursory look into it would’ve explained it. I’m not here to defend the language used (fwiw I’m fine with it), any movement requires nuance once you get past the flashy slogan. > What's the rough average? From what I recall, and this is very rough from the top of my head, one such program to use mental health advocates fueled around 1,000 calls in a year. Out of those I think they in turn requested police backup under 10 times. This video from Some More News goes into detail about what defunding has looked like, for better and for worse, https://youtu.be/3irrROBg7Sg https://youtu.be/3irrROBg7Sg

0xDEAFBEAD 3y ago
>It’s hard to believe you’re being genuine only because, since the beginning, “defund the police” meant reallocating funds to reduce the amount going to cops. Why so many hits for "defund and abolish?" on e.g. Twitter then? See https://inverseflorida.substack.com/p/sanewashing-and-how-defund-the-police https://inverseflorida.substack.com/p/sanewashing-and-how-de... >So, now say you're someone who exists in a left-adjacent social space, who's taken up specific positions that have arrived to you through an "SJW" space - if these are vital ideas that everyone has to adopt for moral reasons, how do you defend them to people who don't exist in any of your usual social spaces? You don't understand these ideas completely, because you absorbed them through social proof and not by convincing arguments. But they're ones you're confident are right because you were assured there's mass consensus behind them. >When people are correctly pointing out that the arguments behind the position people around your space are advancing fail, but you're not going to give up the position because you're certain it's right, what are you going to do? >I'm arguing you're going to sanewash it. And by that I mean, what you do is go "Well, obviously the arguments that people are obviously making are insane, and not what people actually believe or mean. What you can think of it as is [more reasonable argument or position than people are actually making]". ... >From what I recall, and this is very rough from the top of my head, one such program to use mental health advocates fueled around 1,000 calls in a year. Out of those I think they in turn requested police backup under 10 times. Not the number I was asking for. I want to know what % of total police activity has been replaced by counselor/paramedic activity.

0xDEAFBEAD 3y ago

>It’s hard to believe you’re being genuine only because, since the beginning, “defund the police” meant reallocating funds to reduce the amount going to cops. Why so many hits for "defund and abolish?" on e.g. Twitter then? See https://inverseflorida.substack.com/p/sanewashing-and-how-defund-the-police https://inverseflorida.substack.com/p/sanewashing-and-how-de... >So, now say you're someone who exists in a left-adjacent social space, who's taken up specific positions that have arrived to you through an "SJW" space - if these are vital ideas that everyone has to adopt for moral reasons, how do you defend them to people who don't exist in any of your usual social spaces? You don't understand these ideas completely, because you absorbed them through social proof and not by convincing arguments. But they're ones you're confident are right because you were assured there's mass consensus behind them. >When people are correctly pointing out that the arguments behind the position people around your space are advancing fail, but you're not going to give up the position because you're certain it's right, what are you going to do? >I'm arguing you're going to sanewash it. And by that I mean, what you do is go "Well, obviously the arguments that people are obviously making are insane, and not what people actually believe or mean. What you can think of it as is [more reasonable argument or position than people are actually making]". ... >From what I recall, and this is very rough from the top of my head, one such program to use mental health advocates fueled around 1,000 calls in a year. Out of those I think they in turn requested police backup under 10 times. Not the number I was asking for. I want to know what % of total police activity has been replaced by counselor/paramedic activity.