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Things that work in a high trust society do not work in a medium or low trust one. The US is rapidly backsliding from a high to low trust society so things lik

by phil21 3y ago

Things that work in a high trust society do not work in a medium or low trust one. The US is rapidly backsliding from a high to low trust society so things like this are simply not possible in many areas. A few trials like this ran near me and shut down months later.

lannisterstark 3y ago
This...is a weird exaggeration. Walmart plus allows you to do just that. Sam's club, I do exactly the same. Scan it via my mobile app, show app QR to person at checkout, done. The US isn't rapidly sliding anywhere.
- 0xJRS 3y ago
  it's not an exaggeration, there were also stores near where I live in <major city> that tried to do something similar with scanning apps and then abandoned it due to theft and added the standard self-checkout stations you see everywhere now.
- me_me_me 3y ago
  I have seen video of black dude going to white neighborhood and geeking out that stuff if out in-front of petrol station unsupervised. He was scolding his community that it would be impossible in his hood. America is in super state of being both, high and low trust. And by judging the current world trends it will collapse to one state pretty soon - the dead cat scenario i am afraid.
  - thatguy0900 3y ago
    I had a version of this myself, moving out of a poor area into a nice one. When we were doing a tour, we saw children's bikes just left laying down by the street everywhere. It was shocking, as a child I couldn't even store my bike in our shed out back.
- btbuildem 3y ago
  I think it really depends on the region where you live. The US is a very large and diverse place.
- ipython 3y ago
  You just named subscription services which by definition “weed out” the people the parent comment was referring to.
ascagnel_ 3y ago
I'm in the US, and my local Stop & Shop location does this; however, they also have a robot loaded with cameras and sensors that patrols the store "checking for spills" (and can theoretically also monitor for theft, and was also rolled out amidst a strike). It's also somewhat unsettling, despite the googly eyes (it always makes my kid upset). https://thecounter.org/supermarket-robot-automation-ai-organized-labor-stop-and-shop/ https://thecounter.org/supermarket-robot-automation-ai-organ...
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rsynnott 3y ago
Or not. From the article: > Not that there is a lot of data to suggest that this oft-discussed recent spike in retail crime is even real. In an earnings call earlier this year, for example, the CFO of Walgreens admitted that his company had perhaps “cried too much” about theft, and that its product losses had actually declined in the previous quarter.
oliwarner 3y ago
It's important to note that these aren't isolated anonymous systems. They know who you are when you pick up the scanner and can assess choose to deny service based on how much they trust you. Fail a couple of random searches and you lose service. It's still financially viable to assume a little extra theft risk here because you take a tenth of the time at checkout and use less than half the person time as regular self checkouts (which use a tenth of the time a manned checkout does). They massively increase throughout in large, busy stores.
cvccvroomvroom 3y ago
Where? There has been self-checkout all over America for 15+ years. I don't see anywhere removing it. The recent problems have been: District Attorneys deciding property crime is selectively enforceable for social justice engineering, and a knock-on effect of the police not bothering to do their job while having the gall to collect a paycheck they didn't earn. Political divisions where a growing demographic of self-destructives wish to throw a Molotov cocktail into functional civilization. This explains why COTUS can't elect a Speaker of the House.
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  > District Attorneys deciding property crime is selectively enforceable for social justice engineering, and a knock-on effect of the police not bothering to do their job while having the gall to collect a paycheck they didn't earn. Many police departments in big cities are severely understaffed. Seattle is at 60% where it needs to be, and has the lowest number of officers since 1992 (while population is much larger than then). Couple that with just being a bad job: you get blamed for not doing enough, doing too much, and...really, there are just way better jobs out there these days that offer as much money for a lot less stress.
- hakfoo 3y ago
  Maybe it's not "social justice engineering" so much as liability avoidance. We've seen plenty of issues with police that wildly escalate a situation, in ways that result in things like "burn-half-the-city-down riots". In that atmosphere, it might be an intentional goal to minimize the number of "low value" police encounters. Stopping a shoplifter might recover $100 of merchandise, but you have to get it right an awful lot of times to recover for every time a trigger-happy cop loses his cool and the city has to pay a seven-figure settlement.
  - the_third_wave 3y ago
    > issues with police that wildly escalate a situation, in ways that result in things like "burn-half-the-city-down riots". That is one way of putting it. Another and in my opinion more correct way is to conclude that some groups of people are looking for reasons to burn half the city down and find it in "police brutality" or "racism". When the police is just as brutal towards different groups of people the cities do not burn down. You can have a look at the areas which gave heed to the calls to "defund the police" to find out whether that has led to a decrease or increase of crime. If the police were the cause of these problems you'd expect fewer problems when there are fewer police encounters. In actuality the result is the opposite and what most people who do not hold with the narrative expected: less police leads to more crimes committed. No, reducing police presence in these dystopian areas is not the solution. A better trained police force with better tactics might be. Giuliani managed to turn New York around so it can be done if there is the will and the opportunity to act upon that will. Giving up and giving in will lead to streets empty of stores instead of streets with empty stores which will promptly be followed by claims of "discrimination" and "structural racism" because there are no shops in those areas without a single person asking why those shops left. Giving up and giving in is not an option.

by phil21 3y ago

lannisterstark 3y ago

This...is a weird exaggeration. Walmart plus allows you to do just that. Sam's club, I do exactly the same. Scan it via my mobile app, show app QR to person at checkout, done. The US isn't rapidly sliding anywhere.

0xJRS 3y ago
it's not an exaggeration, there were also stores near where I live in <major city> that tried to do something similar with scanning apps and then abandoned it due to theft and added the standard self-checkout stations you see everywhere now.
me_me_me 3y ago
I have seen video of black dude going to white neighborhood and geeking out that stuff if out in-front of petrol station unsupervised. He was scolding his community that it would be impossible in his hood. America is in super state of being both, high and low trust. And by judging the current world trends it will collapse to one state pretty soon - the dead cat scenario i am afraid.
- thatguy0900 3y ago
  I had a version of this myself, moving out of a poor area into a nice one. When we were doing a tour, we saw children's bikes just left laying down by the street everywhere. It was shocking, as a child I couldn't even store my bike in our shed out back.
btbuildem 3y ago
I think it really depends on the region where you live. The US is a very large and diverse place.
ipython 3y ago
You just named subscription services which by definition “weed out” the people the parent comment was referring to.

ascagnel_ 3y ago

I'm in the US, and my local Stop & Shop location does this; however, they also have a robot loaded with cameras and sensors that patrols the store "checking for spills" (and can theoretically also monitor for theft, and was also rolled out amidst a strike). It's also somewhat unsettling, despite the googly eyes (it always makes my kid upset). https://thecounter.org/supermarket-robot-automation-ai-organized-labor-stop-and-shop/ https://thecounter.org/supermarket-robot-automation-ai-organ...

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rsynnott 3y ago

Or not. From the article: > Not that there is a lot of data to suggest that this oft-discussed recent spike in retail crime is even real. In an earnings call earlier this year, for example, the CFO of Walgreens admitted that his company had perhaps “cried too much” about theft, and that its product losses had actually declined in the previous quarter.

oliwarner 3y ago

It's important to note that these aren't isolated anonymous systems. They know who you are when you pick up the scanner and can assess choose to deny service based on how much they trust you. Fail a couple of random searches and you lose service. It's still financially viable to assume a little extra theft risk here because you take a tenth of the time at checkout and use less than half the person time as regular self checkouts (which use a tenth of the time a manned checkout does). They massively increase throughout in large, busy stores.

cvccvroomvroom 3y ago

Where? There has been self-checkout all over America for 15+ years. I don't see anywhere removing it. The recent problems have been: District Attorneys deciding property crime is selectively enforceable for social justice engineering, and a knock-on effect of the police not bothering to do their job while having the gall to collect a paycheck they didn't earn. Political divisions where a growing demographic of self-destructives wish to throw a Molotov cocktail into functional civilization. This explains why COTUS can't elect a Speaker of the House.

seanmcdirmid 3y ago
> District Attorneys deciding property crime is selectively enforceable for social justice engineering, and a knock-on effect of the police not bothering to do their job while having the gall to collect a paycheck they didn't earn. Many police departments in big cities are severely understaffed. Seattle is at 60% where it needs to be, and has the lowest number of officers since 1992 (while population is much larger than then). Couple that with just being a bad job: you get blamed for not doing enough, doing too much, and...really, there are just way better jobs out there these days that offer as much money for a lot less stress.
hakfoo 3y ago
Maybe it's not "social justice engineering" so much as liability avoidance. We've seen plenty of issues with police that wildly escalate a situation, in ways that result in things like "burn-half-the-city-down riots". In that atmosphere, it might be an intentional goal to minimize the number of "low value" police encounters. Stopping a shoplifter might recover $100 of merchandise, but you have to get it right an awful lot of times to recover for every time a trigger-happy cop loses his cool and the city has to pay a seven-figure settlement.
- the_third_wave 3y ago
  > issues with police that wildly escalate a situation, in ways that result in things like "burn-half-the-city-down riots". That is one way of putting it. Another and in my opinion more correct way is to conclude that some groups of people are looking for reasons to burn half the city down and find it in "police brutality" or "racism". When the police is just as brutal towards different groups of people the cities do not burn down. You can have a look at the areas which gave heed to the calls to "defund the police" to find out whether that has led to a decrease or increase of crime. If the police were the cause of these problems you'd expect fewer problems when there are fewer police encounters. In actuality the result is the opposite and what most people who do not hold with the narrative expected: less police leads to more crimes committed. No, reducing police presence in these dystopian areas is not the solution. A better trained police force with better tactics might be. Giuliani managed to turn New York around so it can be done if there is the will and the opportunity to act upon that will. Giving up and giving in will lead to streets empty of stores instead of streets with empty stores which will promptly be followed by claims of "discrimination" and "structural racism" because there are no shops in those areas without a single person asking why those shops left. Giving up and giving in is not an option.