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Grayjay – Follow Creators Not Platforms
- jgtrosh 3y agoIn case people are wondering which architecture their Android is (to avoid downloading the bulky universal APK), I found mine is aarch64 with `lscpu` on Termux. Not sure if there's a more straightforward & universal way of finding that out!
- Retr0id 3y agoThe universal way of finding out is to download their "universal" APK and not worry about finding out at all, I guess. But, if in doubt, you're probably aarch64
- koen31 3y agoEven if you download the universal APK, the app will detect which architecture you have, and the next update it will install the architecture specific one, reducing the bundle size.
- Ym7K8KUf 3y agoI am surprised how polished this app seems, especially for such an early stage! This is the future <3
- desmond373 3y agoBeen using it today, if they want mass adoption theyll need to gind a way to import subscriptions from youtube and find some slightly better way to recommend videos. They arent going for mass adoption right now so ill say that it works just as expected and is a very smooth experiance. Maybe a few ui tweeks(let me sub from search results please) and some fixes to the loading screens but i can see myself using this on and off for the forseeable future.
- koen31 3y agoYou can click source -> YouTube -> Login followed by import subscriptions.
- p4thogenesis 3y agoLooks like there's a bug when importing subs where only a whole page worth amount of subs will load only allowing you to import a small amount. This also applies to Playlist imports.
- adevopsguy 3y agoInteresting project. Too bad it doesn't (yet?) support iOS.
- yreg 3y agoI have some doubts whether this would be permitted on the App Store. YouTube could argue that this is piracy and Apple might side with them. Still, they could distribute the package (and let people side load it on jailbroken devices or through XCode if they are developers). Grayjay is not on the Play Store either, afterall. But the audience is probably too small to bother.
- mx20 3y agoMaybe that changes in a few Month when Apple has to open up at least in Europe to other App Stores.
- aaronbrethorst 3y agohttps://techcrunch.com/2009/08/10/facebook-acquires-friendfeed/amp/ https://techcrunch.com/2009/08/10/facebook-acquires-friendfe...
- 2Gkashmiri 3y agodoes this support sponsorblock?
- viraptor 3y agoI'm curious if this reports playback to YT properly. I'm playing for premium and I'd like that money to go to the correct channels. They do mention the paid/unpaid mix, but explicitly call out only Patreon. Same for Nebula (with subscription) and Twitch (time watched, ads "viewed"). Also, I find it a bit funny that with their goals and target initial audience, they have social presence on Twitter but not mastodon/bluesky.
- ilaksh 3y agoI wish this was a web app.
- geraltofrivia 3y agoI'm not super technical but if someone knows, I would love to know how does it pull the video from Youtube/Twitch in the first place? Like wouldn't Youtube try and block sending data to this application somehow? Wouldn't twitch? If not today then when it pops up on their radar, and has a meaningful dataplace.
- tarruda 3y agoAlso not certain about details of how it works, but there are open source youtube frontends that manage to do this, while also adblocking: - https://github.com/TeamPiped/Piped https://github.com/TeamPiped/Piped - https://newpipe.net/ https://newpipe.net/ IIRC piped uses a network of proxies which is exposed as a service, so youtube is not even aware of what clients are watching.
- nickorlow 3y agohttps://gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/plugins https://gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/plugins
- janandonly 3y agoSo somebody re-invented an RSS/podcast/vodcast app?
- yreg 3y agoNo, because it supports platforms that don't publish RSS feeds.
- camillomiller 3y agoIt’s sorely needed though. The idea of following the creator across the silos is a good one. Implementation is and will be tricky tho.
- koen31 3y agoAs one of the devs of the project, I will try to answer your questions as much as possible.
- yieldcrv 3y agoon occasion I like to watch the creator's simulcast, but different angles like, the Youtube/Twitch feed be their main content with a camera directly on the creator with them superimposed on a screen recording, and the TikTok feed might be a different angle. But the comments and interactions are wildly different. The main purpose is to funnel towards either one, or yet another platform for payment, but this can be entertaining on its own to watch both. does your app solve anything for that use case, or have any aspirations to? I think its useful to just be able to follow someone around, I have always contended that social graphs are easily exportable and the platform doesn't matter and I'd like to see social graphs as a first class citizen as opposed to being happenstance behind social media company's newfangled platforms.
- koen31 3y agoThe first step (which is now already working) is that creators can create a polycentric identity and link their platforms together using the Harbor app. If you are then subscribed to their YouTube channel, you will also see content they post on any other platform like Patreon, etc. You subscribe to the creator, not the platform identity. We cannot easily provide social graphs for platforms we cannot control. However, we also offer the option to make Polycentric comments where you as the commenter own your comment, rather than the platform owning the comment. Polycentric is an open protocol https://docs.polycentric.io/ https://docs.polycentric.io/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLoCtRzTkJQ&t=0s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLoCtRzTkJQ&t=0s and you are free to create any social graph you might want to. I hope this answers your question sufficiently.
- philipwhiuk 3y agoGiven YouTube's business model is reliant on ads and serving a stream of multiple videos how long do you seriously expect to remain unblocked?
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- judiisis 3y agoIt is not Open Source as claimed by Louis Rossmann https://gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/grayjay/-/blob/master/LICENSE https://gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/grayjay/-/blob/master...
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- yreg 3y agoSeems like the server is down, can you post the license if you have it loaded?
- koen31 3y agoWe are working on a Github mirror for the source code as soon as the Gitlab instance is back up.
- aiddun 3y agoThe Gitlab is back up now. There's also another discussion of the license on this thread that hasn't been merged yet https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37925416 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37925416
- judiisis 3y agodang can you merge this thread with https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37925416 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37925416 please
- alexvoda 3y agoI told him directly on his channel that this is the case and that calling non-OSI licences open source is openwashing. And I recommended the Mozilla model of trademark + MPL for their purposes. He replied to my comment but didn't seem to care about the issue.
- Sytten 3y agoAt the end of the day that is why I decided to not be open for my business. Even if you try to be on the good side its hard and you have the eternal source available vs open source debate. I wish they would develop a license friendly to both businesses that want to ship software that is source available and users of that software. One could strike a balance between full OSS and legitimate needs of the producer to live off their creation.
- koen31 3y agoTo answer another common question, you can import your subscriptions from NewPipe by exporting the subscriptions as a JSON and opening the file in the Grayjay app. This flow will be improved in the future.
- nik736 3y agoSoo, this is basically a platform as well, right?
- bryanrasmussen 3y agohttps://xkcd.com/927/ https://xkcd.com/927/ you know the drill
- 2Gkashmiri 3y agotried the app. 1. not open source. 2. has pay-to unlock feature but no idea what is behind the paywall. the website doesn't mention having to pay for it 3. does not have sponsorblock or anything related to that in the settings edit: i don't care about "OSI compliant is only open source", rather i am fine with any free license
- iopq 3y agoThere's no paywall, it just asks you to pay for the software. You can use it without paying for as long as you like, but it's paid software. See: WinRAR
- 2Gkashmiri 3y agocall it donationware then. that sets the expectations of people accordingly
- iopq 3y agoIt's not a donation, you're expected to pay for it. Donations can be of any size, this is a $10 one time payment for the use of the software. There's a license key and everything.
- Sytten 3y agoTheir plugin system is interesting, they embedded a V8 engine to run JavaScript to then make some api calls to the various platforms. I am 99% sure this is against each platform ToS and that they will get sued by Twitch, YouTube, etc. Especially since they are asking people to pay. But I wish they good luck!
- wizhi 3y agoIs this any different from other alternate YouTube apps like NewPipe?
- Sytten 3y agoNewpipe scrapes the HTML, its against the ToS but harder to block.
- e-clinton 3y agoScrapping HTML can’t be against ToS…didn’t that judge ruled it legal to do in that case against LinkedIn?
- syncbehind 3y agoIt can be against the ToS, but ToS aren't legally enforceable in a court of law.
- dre_bot 3y agoNewPipe is also not being sold.
- tcfhgj 3y agoCan't you use the APIs without accepting the TOS?
- hiccuphippo 3y agoIf you start using something without ever reading the ToS, did you accept it?
- EarthAmbassador 3y agoIt would be very nice if once all those sources are aggregated with this tool, including hopefully all YouTube, X, and FB lists, saved items, histories, and browser histories, that all of this can be downloaded as a .CSV we can use to train our own local LLMs. Getting our data out of these platforms is a feat!
- daft_pink 3y agoWhen's the iOS version coming? Will there even be one considering the payment system?
- CivBase 3y agoFeels like it would be a big risk developing this for iOS when it seems likely Apple would not be keen on allowing something like this on their store, regardless of how payments work.
- IYasha 3y agoThe idea behind this whole enterprise is great. And, generally speaking, this is what software and service developers should do: sell products, not people.