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> Racism still plays a big part in the Floyd story even if this is true What makes you think that?

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Aeolun 3y ago
Just a general tendency of all excessive violence always(ish, I can think of one exception) happening to be against colored people?
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  If you can only think of a single example of the police being excessively violent against a white person, then you are woefully under-informed. I'm not surprised though, I blame the media.
  - shiroiuma 3y ago
    You can probably draw some broad, population-level conclusions from statistical data that shows more police violence against minorities, though some can be explained by other socioeconomic factors as well. In general, I'd say that American police are simply violent to everyone.
- nilespotter 3y ago
  You're asking me to believe that this man feels a certain way and committed a racist murder based on a general tendency? Even if I grant you the ridiculous premise that this tendency is real, that line of thinking isn't close to sound. I see I'm getting downvoted here by the typical good dogs, but this has always bothered me about the incident. The racism was presented to us by the media with no explanation, and most people just took it to be fact. No curiosity, no convincing required. I've asked several people, nobody is able to make a case that's even remotely compelling, similar to how you failed to do it here.
  - Larrikin 3y ago
    >The racism was presented to us by the media with no explanation There were hours and hours and hours of explanation. You just decided that you didn't like the explanation and decided to ignore the facts. Assuming you're asking in good faith which is extremely doubtful. You're being downvoted because the murder happened 3 years ago, Chauvin was convicted by a jury of his peers, and its not worth anyone's time to explain it personally to someone who is "just asking questions". You take the time and do your own research.
    - nilespotter 3y ago
      He was convicted of murder, I don't question that. He was not convicted of racism. If it's so obvious and self evident and I've merely ignored the facts, surely you could explain it to me succinctly. You can't, of course, because you don't know why you believe it, and there is reason to believe it.
  - diogenes4 3y ago
    You don't have to believe anything, but if you don't see the racism that pervades our society you're utterly blind.
    - nilespotter 3y ago
      So whenever anyone suggests a racial motive in a specific case, where this is no supporting evidence in that case, your stance is to just go along with it, because racism pervades our society?
      - KingMob 3y ago
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    - arp242 3y ago
      There is a difference between recognizing that racism exists, and saying that racism is at the root of a particular problem (rather than "merely" something that also exists). This is one of the big problems with this kind of stuff, because as soon as racism merely exists it becomes completely taboo to offer any other sort of explanation as the root cause.
rexpop 3y ago
Maybe due in part to the historical deprivation of economic opportunities that would be preferable to such vulnerable arrangements.

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Just a general tendency of all excessive violence always(ish, I can think of one exception) happening to be against colored people?

mcpackieh 3y ago
If you can only think of a single example of the police being excessively violent against a white person, then you are woefully under-informed. I'm not surprised though, I blame the media.
- shiroiuma 3y ago
  You can probably draw some broad, population-level conclusions from statistical data that shows more police violence against minorities, though some can be explained by other socioeconomic factors as well. In general, I'd say that American police are simply violent to everyone.
nilespotter 3y ago
You're asking me to believe that this man feels a certain way and committed a racist murder based on a general tendency? Even if I grant you the ridiculous premise that this tendency is real, that line of thinking isn't close to sound. I see I'm getting downvoted here by the typical good dogs, but this has always bothered me about the incident. The racism was presented to us by the media with no explanation, and most people just took it to be fact. No curiosity, no convincing required. I've asked several people, nobody is able to make a case that's even remotely compelling, similar to how you failed to do it here.
- Larrikin 3y ago
  >The racism was presented to us by the media with no explanation There were hours and hours and hours of explanation. You just decided that you didn't like the explanation and decided to ignore the facts. Assuming you're asking in good faith which is extremely doubtful. You're being downvoted because the murder happened 3 years ago, Chauvin was convicted by a jury of his peers, and its not worth anyone's time to explain it personally to someone who is "just asking questions". You take the time and do your own research.
  - nilespotter 3y ago
    He was convicted of murder, I don't question that. He was not convicted of racism. If it's so obvious and self evident and I've merely ignored the facts, surely you could explain it to me succinctly. You can't, of course, because you don't know why you believe it, and there is reason to believe it.
- diogenes4 3y ago
  You don't have to believe anything, but if you don't see the racism that pervades our society you're utterly blind.
  - nilespotter 3y ago
    So whenever anyone suggests a racial motive in a specific case, where this is no supporting evidence in that case, your stance is to just go along with it, because racism pervades our society?
    - KingMob 3y ago
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  - arp242 3y ago
    There is a difference between recognizing that racism exists, and saying that racism is at the root of a particular problem (rather than "merely" something that also exists). This is one of the big problems with this kind of stuff, because as soon as racism merely exists it becomes completely taboo to offer any other sort of explanation as the root cause.

rexpop 3y ago

Maybe due in part to the historical deprivation of economic opportunities that would be preferable to such vulnerable arrangements.