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Apparently, it was due to a misfired rocket from Islamic Jihad aimed at Israel. https://twitter.com/jconricus/status/1714376318136021443 https://twitter.com/jc

by nicota 3y ago

Apparently, it was due to a misfired rocket from Islamic Jihad aimed at Israel. https://twitter.com/jconricus/status/1714376318136021443 https://twitter.com/jconricus/status/1714376318136021443

lots2learn 3y ago
Unconfirmed
tguvot 3y ago
and another one, more clear video https://x.com/themossadil/status/1714376293700055489?s=46 https://x.com/themossadil/status/1714376293700055489?s=46
- RecycledEle 3y ago
  Thank You. Now if you could go back in time and prevent the invention of Photoshop and AI, I could believe anything I see in 2023. Without and proof whatsoever I place the blame on Israel, Hamas, and Elvis. It was a 3-way collaboration. I am 100% certain that I have as much credible evidence in this as anyone else does for their position. No offense to my friends who are still influenced by video "proof."
  - tguvot 3y ago
    than maybe none of this didn't happen ? blender, photoshop and ai ? to create manufactured outrage ? idf supposed to share : uav footage from above and call intercepts discussing "oopsie". there is also some radar data
- tguvot 3y ago
  and another one from different location https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1714377828131553446 https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1714377828131553446
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - megous 3y ago
    Yeah, video shot from north with rockets flying towards Netivot (eastward) or in some such general direction. Also not timestamp, so not much of use. Al Jazeera Arabic video shows a point of view from al wafa medical towards Netivot (so eastward), and the failed rocket is flying initially northward, and was not fired from the sea at all, unlike the other video.
    - tguvot 3y ago
      well, it's not like there is video of idf bomb falling. so it's not it as well
      - megous 3y ago
        There's a video of a bomb exploding. Anyway, due to the crater being directly in the middle of the courtyard https://mapy.cz/s/kazakahoha https://mapy.cz/s/kazakahoha and due to prior warnings from IDF, and shellings by IDF, and the information provided by IL not making much sense, I simply think, just like the doctors in the hospital itself, that this was intentional and done by IDF. Probably meant just as an even more "strongly worded" threat to evacuate, gone wrong. (when previous shelling didn't work) Kinda makes sense to target the bomb in the courtyard in such a scenario instead of at the hospital. https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/17au0zk/israel_fired_warning_shells_at_gaza_hospital/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/17au0zk/israel_f... https://twitter.com/aja_palestine/status/1714599303862157797?s=46 https://twitter.com/aja_palestine/status/1714599303862157797... https://twitter.com/aja_palestine/status/1714556376297398483?s=46 https://twitter.com/aja_palestine/status/1714556376297398483... I mean accidents can happen, but anyone thinking that hospital that was repeatedly warned, including by shelling, and refused to evacuate regardless, would just be left alone and had an accident the next day with a bomb falling exactly in the middle of the courtyard, just stretches credulity.
        3y ago
throwawaymanbot 3y ago
Strange they decided to go back to this story after first saying they knew nothing about it and then saying that they had warned them to evacuate? Well the IDF have said it so it must be true, no need to look into it. Just quote it verbatim. I too am a well paid journalist. https://twitter.com/robertmackey/status/1714374889568911506?s=46&t=ML644ysglG9iHjHmFTP9nw https://twitter.com/robertmackey/status/1714374889568911506?...
jacooper 3y ago
Only the IDF has said this, its like "we investigated ourselves and found nothing bad" https://x.com/AJEnglish/status/1714395103966515461 https://x.com/AJEnglish/status/1714395103966515461
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  Both narratives are plausible at this point. I personally have little trust in either the IDF or Hamas.
  - jacooper 3y ago
    Mate, its not hamas claiming its Israel, its aljazeera and civilians on the ground. And if hamas had such capabilities, why didn't they use them yet, huh?
    - mupuff1234 3y ago
      Since when can civilians on the ground know where the rocket that hit them came from? And we don't know what capabilities yet, we still don't know what happened.
      - tguvot 3y ago
        you people still seriously having this discussion ? there are photos/videos now. a dozen of burned cars on parking lot. hospital is in one piece. all walls/roofs/etc are intact.
        mupuff1234 3y ago
        Im sorry I'm not frantically searching for all photos and videos right now, I'm just waiting for actual legitimate press / organizations to investigate.
        tguvot 3y ago
isthatafact 3y ago
Unless evidence is shown, I will remain very skeptical that Gaza has rockets large enough to kill 500 people.
- mupuff1234 3y ago
  How do you know that 500 people were killed?
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > will remain very skeptical that Gaza has rockets large enough to kill 500 people In 2006, Hamas was fielding kit that could loft 17 kg of explosives [1]. Given the rocket is 66kg, that's a 25% payload fraction implying at least another 33kg of fuel at launch. Solid fuel should deflagrate. But it looks like they historically used a sugar/KNO3 premix [2]. I think that could detonate when strapped to an explosive while encountering terrain. Add to that pressurized systems commonly found in a hospital, e.g. oxygen, and the deadliness of a collapsing building, and I can see their circa 2006 kit doing the job. (Note: this is a back-of-the-envelope plausibility check only.) [1] https://handwiki.org/wiki/Engineering:Al_Quds_3 https://handwiki.org/wiki/Engineering:Al_Quds_3
  - enterprise_cog 3y ago
    Or it could be the 500-1000lb bombs the IAF is dropping everywhere in Gaza. Occam’s razor and all that.
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > it could be the 500-1000lb bombs the IAF is dropping everywhere in Gaza Sure. But those are precision munitions. I don't think there's an Occam's razor solution through this bit of the fog of war. (Yes, I know I'm deflecting from the horrors on the ground by thinking about the rocket mechanics. I'm going to try to observe my plane crash rule of ignoring attribution hypotheses for at least one week after.)
      - 3y ago
megous 3y ago
Nothing apparent about what you say. Apparently: - there are several plumes of smoke from previous explosions/bombings in that general direction of the hopsital (about 3 that I can count) - failed rocket seems to be exploding in the sky (maybe engine? maybe both engine and warhead? that's not apparent) - there's also another explosion a second before the direct hit - the video is shot in the direction of that hospital (based on el wafa medical building in lower left) So, yeah. That much is apparent. Where you "apparently" see Islamic Jihad in the video is really not clear to me.
- throwawaymanbot 3y ago
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- samsin 3y ago
  That's not typically what people mean when they use the word 'apparently' in that context. 'Apparent' and 'Apparently' aren't synonyms, which I guess can be confusing. "You use apparently to indicate that the information you are giving is something that you have heard, but you are not certain that it is true." [1] https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/apparently https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/apparen...

by nicota 3y ago

Apparently, it was due to a misfired rocket from Islamic Jihad aimed at Israel. https://twitter.com/jconricus/status/1714376318136021443 https://twitter.com/jconricus/status/1714376318136021443

lots2learn 3y ago

Unconfirmed

tguvot 3y ago

and another one, more clear video https://x.com/themossadil/status/1714376293700055489?s=46 https://x.com/themossadil/status/1714376293700055489?s=46

RecycledEle 3y ago
Thank You. Now if you could go back in time and prevent the invention of Photoshop and AI, I could believe anything I see in 2023. Without and proof whatsoever I place the blame on Israel, Hamas, and Elvis. It was a 3-way collaboration. I am 100% certain that I have as much credible evidence in this as anyone else does for their position. No offense to my friends who are still influenced by video "proof."
- tguvot 3y ago
  than maybe none of this didn't happen ? blender, photoshop and ai ? to create manufactured outrage ? idf supposed to share : uav footage from above and call intercepts discussing "oopsie". there is also some radar data
tguvot 3y ago
and another one from different location https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1714377828131553446 https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1714377828131553446
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- megous 3y ago
  Yeah, video shot from north with rockets flying towards Netivot (eastward) or in some such general direction. Also not timestamp, so not much of use. Al Jazeera Arabic video shows a point of view from al wafa medical towards Netivot (so eastward), and the failed rocket is flying initially northward, and was not fired from the sea at all, unlike the other video.
  - tguvot 3y ago
    well, it's not like there is video of idf bomb falling. so it's not it as well
    - megous 3y ago
      There's a video of a bomb exploding. Anyway, due to the crater being directly in the middle of the courtyard https://mapy.cz/s/kazakahoha https://mapy.cz/s/kazakahoha and due to prior warnings from IDF, and shellings by IDF, and the information provided by IL not making much sense, I simply think, just like the doctors in the hospital itself, that this was intentional and done by IDF. Probably meant just as an even more "strongly worded" threat to evacuate, gone wrong. (when previous shelling didn't work) Kinda makes sense to target the bomb in the courtyard in such a scenario instead of at the hospital. https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/17au0zk/israel_fired_warning_shells_at_gaza_hospital/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/17au0zk/israel_f... https://twitter.com/aja_palestine/status/1714599303862157797?s=46 https://twitter.com/aja_palestine/status/1714599303862157797... https://twitter.com/aja_palestine/status/1714556376297398483?s=46 https://twitter.com/aja_palestine/status/1714556376297398483... I mean accidents can happen, but anyone thinking that hospital that was repeatedly warned, including by shelling, and refused to evacuate regardless, would just be left alone and had an accident the next day with a bomb falling exactly in the middle of the courtyard, just stretches credulity.
      - 3y ago

throwawaymanbot 3y ago

Strange they decided to go back to this story after first saying they knew nothing about it and then saying that they had warned them to evacuate? Well the IDF have said it so it must be true, no need to look into it. Just quote it verbatim. I too am a well paid journalist. https://twitter.com/robertmackey/status/1714374889568911506?s=46&t=ML644ysglG9iHjHmFTP9nw https://twitter.com/robertmackey/status/1714374889568911506?...

jacooper 3y ago

Only the IDF has said this, its like "we investigated ourselves and found nothing bad" https://x.com/AJEnglish/status/1714395103966515461 https://x.com/AJEnglish/status/1714395103966515461

seanmcdirmid 3y ago
Both narratives are plausible at this point. I personally have little trust in either the IDF or Hamas.
- jacooper 3y ago
  Mate, its not hamas claiming its Israel, its aljazeera and civilians on the ground. And if hamas had such capabilities, why didn't they use them yet, huh?
  - mupuff1234 3y ago
    Since when can civilians on the ground know where the rocket that hit them came from? And we don't know what capabilities yet, we still don't know what happened.
    - tguvot 3y ago
      you people still seriously having this discussion ? there are photos/videos now. a dozen of burned cars on parking lot. hospital is in one piece. all walls/roofs/etc are intact.
      - mupuff1234 3y ago
        Im sorry I'm not frantically searching for all photos and videos right now, I'm just waiting for actual legitimate press / organizations to investigate.
        tguvot 3y ago

isthatafact 3y ago

Unless evidence is shown, I will remain very skeptical that Gaza has rockets large enough to kill 500 people.

mupuff1234 3y ago
How do you know that 500 people were killed?
JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> will remain very skeptical that Gaza has rockets large enough to kill 500 people In 2006, Hamas was fielding kit that could loft 17 kg of explosives [1]. Given the rocket is 66kg, that's a 25% payload fraction implying at least another 33kg of fuel at launch. Solid fuel should deflagrate. But it looks like they historically used a sugar/KNO3 premix [2]. I think that could detonate when strapped to an explosive while encountering terrain. Add to that pressurized systems commonly found in a hospital, e.g. oxygen, and the deadliness of a collapsing building, and I can see their circa 2006 kit doing the job. (Note: this is a back-of-the-envelope plausibility check only.) [1] https://handwiki.org/wiki/Engineering:Al_Quds_3 https://handwiki.org/wiki/Engineering:Al_Quds_3
- enterprise_cog 3y ago
  Or it could be the 500-1000lb bombs the IAF is dropping everywhere in Gaza. Occam’s razor and all that.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > it could be the 500-1000lb bombs the IAF is dropping everywhere in Gaza Sure. But those are precision munitions. I don't think there's an Occam's razor solution through this bit of the fog of war. (Yes, I know I'm deflecting from the horrors on the ground by thinking about the rocket mechanics. I'm going to try to observe my plane crash rule of ignoring attribution hypotheses for at least one week after.)
    - 3y ago

megous 3y ago

Nothing apparent about what you say. Apparently: - there are several plumes of smoke from previous explosions/bombings in that general direction of the hopsital (about 3 that I can count) - failed rocket seems to be exploding in the sky (maybe engine? maybe both engine and warhead? that's not apparent) - there's also another explosion a second before the direct hit - the video is shot in the direction of that hospital (based on el wafa medical building in lower left) So, yeah. That much is apparent. Where you "apparently" see Islamic Jihad in the video is really not clear to me.

throwawaymanbot 3y ago
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samsin 3y ago
That's not typically what people mean when they use the word 'apparently' in that context. 'Apparent' and 'Apparently' aren't synonyms, which I guess can be confusing. "You use apparently to indicate that the information you are giving is something that you have heard, but you are not certain that it is true." [1] https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/apparently https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/apparen...