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> Tesla urges US to adopt much tougher fuel efficiency rules Color me surprised. Not.

toomuchtodo 3y ago
They've already proven the EV model works (along with BYD) [1]. Might as well shove your enemy into the lumber saw if they're trying to weaken standards. Adapt or die. Someone else will make EVs if legacy auto doesn't. No need to encourage folks to drive a studio apartment around (F150) if it is combustion powered. We're burning up so much fossil fuel for people who are social signaling or buying emotionally vs legitimate need [2] [3]. "...75 percent of truck owners use their truck for towing one time a year or less (meaning, never). Nearly 70 percent of truck owners go off-road one time a year or less." If climate change is an emergency, treat it as such. If companies die, they die. [1] https://www.statista.com/chart/30758/most-popular-plug-in-electric-car-brands/ https://www.statista.com/chart/30758/most-popular-plug-in-el... [2] https://twitter.com/TheWarOnCars/status/1497757646455201792 https://twitter.com/TheWarOnCars/status/1497757646455201792 [3] https://www.thedrive.com/news/26907/you-dont-need-a-full-size-pickup-truck-you-need-a-cowboy-costume https://www.thedrive.com/news/26907/you-dont-need-a-full-siz...
- willcipriano 3y ago
  I agree people fly around the globe, putting tons of Co2 into the air, to simply take a instagram photo! Who cares if the travel industry dies? This is a emergency! Or will only the luxuries your socioeconomic class doesn't engage in be targeted?
  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    If you fly, you should be required to pay to offset using direct air capture at whatever the current market price is. I pay the fully loaded cost of all CO2 emissions my family is responsible for. The argument isn't "don't do this", the argument is "either avoid emissions or pay for them." Are you comparing the light vehicle emissions of the low and middle class to discretionary pickup truck purchases, priced between $50k and $80k? If you want to drive such a vehicle, and it is a combustion version, as long as whatever mechanism is dispensing the fuel ensures you're paying for that CO2 to be sequestered back underground in a stable form, by all means, Canyonero! But that is not what is on offer at scale. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI_Jl5WFQkA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI_Jl5WFQkA
    - willcipriano 3y ago
      > I pay the fully loaded cost of all CO2 emissions my family is responsible for. Carbon credits are a scam, so no you don't.
      - toomuchtodo 3y ago
        I pay Climeworks for annual emissions, all of our vehicles are EVs, and all of our home energy is sourced from solar. You should do more research before making inaccurate statements that "Carbon credits are a scam." Some are, some are not. The ones that aren't are, of course, more expensive. https://climeworks.com/carbon-removal-as-a-solution-to-fight-global-warming https://climeworks.com/carbon-removal-as-a-solution-to-fight... https://climeworks.com/news/climeworks-achievedvalidationfromdnv https://climeworks.com/news/climeworks-achievedvalidationfro...
        willcipriano 3y ago
        Since it's a emergency shouldn't you buy as many carbon credits as you can afford and skip the vacation?
        toomuchtodo 3y ago
        I am not going to keep arguing with you because your ideology compels you to treat me the way you do, in a derogatory, condescending fashion. I am doing my small part (as I think everyone should, in proportion to their means and impact), and I work to find leverage points for scale (early investor in Tesla, donating to political reps who supported the Inflation Reduction Act). If you don't agree with me, that is your right, based upon your mental model. I am satisfied with what I can do with what I have, and mostly with the present velocity of change. I don't need buy in from people like yourself. The data shows it isn't needed, nor material to solve for climate change. If you don't believe climate change is real, or of the level of risk communicated by domain experts, we have nothing to discuss. EDIT: I'm not telling the poor how to live. Living is expensive. It has always been terrible to be poor. That is what subsidies are for, to help the poor deal with climate change. I fully support subsidizing those who need the subsidies to accomplish these goals. Increase taxes if necessary, as high as necessary.
- oh_sigh 3y ago
  Is "shove your enemy into the lumber saw" a common saying?
- oaththrowaway 3y ago
  What is a legitimate need in your book? I don't use my truck to tow a lot of stuff (besides a boat which you probably don't think is legitimate either), and I don't go off-roading much except for deer season (again, I'm sure that's terrible for you), but it does get used for hauling things in the bed that wouldn't be able to fit in my car quite a bit. I get people don't like using them for commuters and I agree, but to argue there is no use for them besides towing or going off-roading is absolutely silly to me. But maybe because I'm an idiot who lives in a rural area.
- ssharp 3y ago
  > "...75 percent of truck owners use their truck for towing one time a year or less (meaning, never). Nearly 70 percent of truck owners go off-road one time a year or less." I don't see how this shows that people aren't using their trucks. Off-roading seems like a odd use for this purpose and towing is not a great metric because you can easily utilize a truck for a ton of hauling that doesn't require towing.

They've already proven the EV model works (along with BYD) [1]. Might as well shove your enemy into the lumber saw if they're trying to weaken standards. Adapt or die. Someone else will make EVs if legacy auto doesn't. No need to encourage folks to drive a studio apartment around (F150) if it is combustion powered. We're burning up so much fossil fuel for people who are social signaling or buying emotionally vs legitimate need [2] [3]. "...75 percent of truck owners use their truck for towing one time a year or less (meaning, never). Nearly 70 percent of truck owners go off-road one time a year or less." If climate change is an emergency, treat it as such. If companies die, they die. [1] https://www.statista.com/chart/30758/most-popular-plug-in-electric-car-brands/ https://www.statista.com/chart/30758/most-popular-plug-in-el... [2] https://twitter.com/TheWarOnCars/status/1497757646455201792 https://twitter.com/TheWarOnCars/status/1497757646455201792 [3] https://www.thedrive.com/news/26907/you-dont-need-a-full-size-pickup-truck-you-need-a-cowboy-costume https://www.thedrive.com/news/26907/you-dont-need-a-full-siz...

willcipriano 3y ago
I agree people fly around the globe, putting tons of Co2 into the air, to simply take a instagram photo! Who cares if the travel industry dies? This is a emergency! Or will only the luxuries your socioeconomic class doesn't engage in be targeted?
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  If you fly, you should be required to pay to offset using direct air capture at whatever the current market price is. I pay the fully loaded cost of all CO2 emissions my family is responsible for. The argument isn't "don't do this", the argument is "either avoid emissions or pay for them." Are you comparing the light vehicle emissions of the low and middle class to discretionary pickup truck purchases, priced between $50k and $80k? If you want to drive such a vehicle, and it is a combustion version, as long as whatever mechanism is dispensing the fuel ensures you're paying for that CO2 to be sequestered back underground in a stable form, by all means, Canyonero! But that is not what is on offer at scale. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI_Jl5WFQkA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI_Jl5WFQkA
  - willcipriano 3y ago
    > I pay the fully loaded cost of all CO2 emissions my family is responsible for. Carbon credits are a scam, so no you don't.
    - toomuchtodo 3y ago
      I pay Climeworks for annual emissions, all of our vehicles are EVs, and all of our home energy is sourced from solar. You should do more research before making inaccurate statements that "Carbon credits are a scam." Some are, some are not. The ones that aren't are, of course, more expensive. https://climeworks.com/carbon-removal-as-a-solution-to-fight-global-warming https://climeworks.com/carbon-removal-as-a-solution-to-fight... https://climeworks.com/news/climeworks-achievedvalidationfromdnv https://climeworks.com/news/climeworks-achievedvalidationfro...
      - willcipriano 3y ago
        Since it's a emergency shouldn't you buy as many carbon credits as you can afford and skip the vacation?
        toomuchtodo 3y ago
        I am not going to keep arguing with you because your ideology compels you to treat me the way you do, in a derogatory, condescending fashion. I am doing my small part (as I think everyone should, in proportion to their means and impact), and I work to find leverage points for scale (early investor in Tesla, donating to political reps who supported the Inflation Reduction Act). If you don't agree with me, that is your right, based upon your mental model. I am satisfied with what I can do with what I have, and mostly with the present velocity of change. I don't need buy in from people like yourself. The data shows it isn't needed, nor material to solve for climate change. If you don't believe climate change is real, or of the level of risk communicated by domain experts, we have nothing to discuss. EDIT: I'm not telling the poor how to live. Living is expensive. It has always been terrible to be poor. That is what subsidies are for, to help the poor deal with climate change. I fully support subsidizing those who need the subsidies to accomplish these goals. Increase taxes if necessary, as high as necessary.
oh_sigh 3y ago
Is "shove your enemy into the lumber saw" a common saying?
oaththrowaway 3y ago
What is a legitimate need in your book? I don't use my truck to tow a lot of stuff (besides a boat which you probably don't think is legitimate either), and I don't go off-roading much except for deer season (again, I'm sure that's terrible for you), but it does get used for hauling things in the bed that wouldn't be able to fit in my car quite a bit. I get people don't like using them for commuters and I agree, but to argue there is no use for them besides towing or going off-roading is absolutely silly to me. But maybe because I'm an idiot who lives in a rural area.
ssharp 3y ago
> "...75 percent of truck owners use their truck for towing one time a year or less (meaning, never). Nearly 70 percent of truck owners go off-road one time a year or less." I don't see how this shows that people aren't using their trucks. Off-roading seems like a odd use for this purpose and towing is not a great metric because you can easily utilize a truck for a ton of hauling that doesn't require towing.