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What a smart entrepreneur he was to commit fraud!

goalonetwo 3y ago
messing up and defrauding that way doesn't negate the fact that you still need to be smart on some level(depending on your definition) to create an IT company. We should definitely punish the fraud. But also look at rehabilitation. In this case, we are taking someone that could under the right circumstance be a net positive for society and putting him in jail for 5 years where he will most probably come out as a destroyed human. I will never understand how people desire for revenge negate the bigger picture.
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- dilyevsky 3y ago
  Retribution is an important component of an effective judicial system. It provides approximation of justice (yes) and creates deterrence. Also that was an IT company (or rather many companies) in name only. By that definition those patent troll holdings are “IT companies” too
- _jal 3y ago
  > I will never understand how people desire for revenge negate the bigger picture. It is more that people tend to be extremely selective about when they see that bigger picture. There are lots of smart people rotting in prison who committed very similar crimes who never seem to elicit sympathy. Coincidentally, they tended not to be white collar strivers before being busted.
- ska 3y ago
  > where he will most probably come out as a destroyed human. This is more evidence of the flaws of the (US, anyway) penal system that an argument against custodial sentences in general, no? I get where you are coming from, but do you have practical alternatives? A slap on the wrist is probably overall a worse (global) outcome...
- slingnow 3y ago
  > messing up and defrauding ... When you've created 20 shell companies, I think at this point you've gone beyond "messing up". Just like there's a difference between a crime-of-passion single murder and a serial killer. Rehabilitation is another issue entirely. I really wish we had a system in place to make that happen, but we don't. Putting him away isn't about revenge at all, at least not to me.
- ozr 3y ago
  He didn't 'mess up'. This wasn't an accident. Wire fraud has an intent requirement. The government has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendent acted with the intent to defraud, specifically, the 'intent to deceive and cheat'. Not punishing this is the same as allowing it.

messing up and defrauding that way doesn't negate the fact that you still need to be smart on some level(depending on your definition) to create an IT company. We should definitely punish the fraud. But also look at rehabilitation. In this case, we are taking someone that could under the right circumstance be a net positive for society and putting him in jail for 5 years where he will most probably come out as a destroyed human. I will never understand how people desire for revenge negate the bigger picture.

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dilyevsky 3y ago
Retribution is an important component of an effective judicial system. It provides approximation of justice (yes) and creates deterrence. Also that was an IT company (or rather many companies) in name only. By that definition those patent troll holdings are “IT companies” too
_jal 3y ago
> I will never understand how people desire for revenge negate the bigger picture. It is more that people tend to be extremely selective about when they see that bigger picture. There are lots of smart people rotting in prison who committed very similar crimes who never seem to elicit sympathy. Coincidentally, they tended not to be white collar strivers before being busted.
ska 3y ago
> where he will most probably come out as a destroyed human. This is more evidence of the flaws of the (US, anyway) penal system that an argument against custodial sentences in general, no? I get where you are coming from, but do you have practical alternatives? A slap on the wrist is probably overall a worse (global) outcome...
slingnow 3y ago
> messing up and defrauding ... When you've created 20 shell companies, I think at this point you've gone beyond "messing up". Just like there's a difference between a crime-of-passion single murder and a serial killer. Rehabilitation is another issue entirely. I really wish we had a system in place to make that happen, but we don't. Putting him away isn't about revenge at all, at least not to me.
ozr 3y ago
He didn't 'mess up'. This wasn't an accident. Wire fraud has an intent requirement. The government has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendent acted with the intent to defraud, specifically, the 'intent to deceive and cheat'. Not punishing this is the same as allowing it.