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Perspective from someone who was born and raised in the bay area… > Around Market and 9th to 11th, a mostly residential and expensive main and small streets …

Perspective from someone who was born and raised in the bay area… > Around Market and 9th to 11th, a mostly residential and expensive main and small streets … What?! This is just flat out wrong. The area around 9th and Market is basically civic center BART station; which was a low rent neighborhood where most of the residential buildings were SROs. Twitter got tax breaks to put their office there because it was and still is a dump. Even after you cross Van Ness into Hayes Valley you are still not in a fancy / exclusive neighborhood. Like the projects used to be right there. > Safest it has ever been Yes. There was a time when you could get shot in the Fillmore, Chinatown, the Mission and most definitely in the TL. Now the only place where you might run into that kind of trouble is bayview / hunters point / sunnydale - and I don’t know why you would ever go out there. Transit is awesome. Best public transit in western US mainly because of density - the city is only 7 miles across. Have you tried public transportation anywhere west of the Mississippi before? I’m terms of schedule / timeliness, who looks at the actual muni schedules? Just use NextBus and go out the to stop like 3 mins before your bus arrives like a normal person. Anyway, I could go on… I agree that for all the fact base / revenue that SF gets the quality public schools are a travesty. But they have always been trash - with the exception of Lowell.

creer 3y ago
> which was a low rent neighborhood where most of the residential buildings were SROs. It was. Now (south of Market, west of Civic Center BART) it's high rises, towers and lots of houses that have been remodeled and mid-rises on the side streets. Around Twitter basically. All of which expensive - because well, it's at the center and walking distance of everything. And on transit like I said, yes it's there. And could even be decent. Except it's not. I mean, it's non-existent in other places. But that doesn't make it anywhere near "nice" in San Francisco. Again depending on the neighborhoods that you try to drive through no doubt. Many people still don't have a good alternative and use it. When we have to.
- pfisherman 3y ago
  They may be charging a lot, but that does not make it a nice neighborhood. But I guess they figured they could fleece people who did not know their way around the city. Downtown SF has always been a soulless wasteland for the homeless and people who do not actually live in the city. Life in SF has always been about the neighborhoods. So basically anything West of Van Ness, South of 16th, and North of Broadway (with the exception of Nob Hill) modulo the character of the neighborhood. The trick with muni busses is to always sit by the second set of doors. Crazy people ride in the front. Thugs and teenagers in the back. Normal people in the middle. The muni rail is truly an abomination. But the daily game of sardines is part of the charm … I guess
tanseydavid 3y ago
>> There was a time when you could get shot in the Fillmore, Chinatown, the Mission and most definitely in the TL. Now the only place where you might run into that kind of trouble is bayview / hunters point / sunnydale Friend of a friend was stabbed to death in Nob Hill not too long ago. Oops, sorry! You said "shot" not "stabbed."

creer 3y ago

> which was a low rent neighborhood where most of the residential buildings were SROs. It was. Now (south of Market, west of Civic Center BART) it's high rises, towers and lots of houses that have been remodeled and mid-rises on the side streets. Around Twitter basically. All of which expensive - because well, it's at the center and walking distance of everything. And on transit like I said, yes it's there. And could even be decent. Except it's not. I mean, it's non-existent in other places. But that doesn't make it anywhere near "nice" in San Francisco. Again depending on the neighborhoods that you try to drive through no doubt. Many people still don't have a good alternative and use it. When we have to.

pfisherman 3y ago
They may be charging a lot, but that does not make it a nice neighborhood. But I guess they figured they could fleece people who did not know their way around the city. Downtown SF has always been a soulless wasteland for the homeless and people who do not actually live in the city. Life in SF has always been about the neighborhoods. So basically anything West of Van Ness, South of 16th, and North of Broadway (with the exception of Nob Hill) modulo the character of the neighborhood. The trick with muni busses is to always sit by the second set of doors. Crazy people ride in the front. Thugs and teenagers in the back. Normal people in the middle. The muni rail is truly an abomination. But the daily game of sardines is part of the charm … I guess

tanseydavid 3y ago

>> There was a time when you could get shot in the Fillmore, Chinatown, the Mission and most definitely in the TL. Now the only place where you might run into that kind of trouble is bayview / hunters point / sunnydale Friend of a friend was stabbed to death in Nob Hill not too long ago. Oops, sorry! You said "shot" not "stabbed."