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Have y'all seen the movie "Don't Look Up"? It's a reference to the climate crisis but could very well be a reference to industrial agriculture. Then again, the

Have y'all seen the movie "Don't Look Up"? It's a reference to the climate crisis but could very well be a reference to industrial agriculture. Then again, the climate crisis is largely rooted in our agricultural industrial complex. It's wild when I see folks defending the use of glyphosate... the movie does a great job demonstrating this sort of predicament. edit: looks like I am already being downvoted. outstanding.

Supermancho 3y ago
> edit: looks like I am already being downvoted. outstanding. Either your point stands or it isn't contributing anything. Pointing out that it's being voted one way or the other is frowned upon (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, near the bottom). It might be read that your motivations are emotionally based. Either way, it doesn't make the situation on HN or in the world, any better. +1, because I think that your post is important. Pointing out how this can be a way to characterize Don't Look Up never occurred to me.
- whalesalad 3y ago
  I wish HN took place in a physical arena because it would be much easier to identify friends who are operating outside the bounds of honesty, healthy debate and Socratic dialogue - and are just here to praise corporate overlords and protect the popular narrative. This is why I make reference to being downvoted as I genuinely feel a valid criticism is being oppressed by folks with an ulterior motive. Someone recently asked on a thread - "where have all the hackers gone?" I often ask myself the same question.
  - chiefalchemist 3y ago
    My sense is, based on comments I've made and have been down voted, is that every _______ Industrial Complex has actors on HN. Some are likely employees who will naturally stick up for their industry and employer. However, there are plenty of hired-gun PR types who use the down vote to help influence the narrative.
mandmandam 3y ago
I know we're supposed to all pretend they don't exist and never talk about them, per the site "guidelines", but there is no doubt in my mind that Monsanto / Bayer / Roundup / Glyphosate goons are all over this right now. They swarm over stories like this. They gaslight and toxify, flag and bait. They're going to hit this one especially hard, because it's so important.
- whalesalad 3y ago
  The unfortunate overlap between hackers and monsanto is that the climate corporation (owned by them) is actually a pretty big user of the Clojure language.
  - qup 3y ago
    ...why is that important? They probably use javascript, too. And a half-dozen other languages.
    - whalesalad 3y ago
      HN is the main watering hole for anyone doing lisp development.
- parineum 3y ago
  Is there no possibility that you're misinformed? No room for self reflection?
  - mandmandam 3y ago
    I supposed you could prove me wrong: Try to find a HN thread about glyphosate where no one gaslights, deflects, toxifies or baits. Any time, in the whole history of HN. One single story, where no one tries to pretend or insinuate that Roundup / glyphosate is perfectly safe, or attack people / studies / lawsuits that suggest otherwise. The only rule is that it must have at least a dozen comments - there's no need to FUD on stories with no traction. Bonne chance!
improv 3y ago
Indeed, there are many who make so much noise made about how unsustainable and environmentally toxic industrial cattle farming is, but then it's crickets when it comes to how unsustainable and environmentally toxic industrial agriculture is.
- namuol 3y ago
  This could well be a regional thing, but where I’m from most who decry industrial cattle farming do so along with industrial agriculture. The thinking is that a disproportionate amount of industrial agriculture is done in support of cattle farming. Less industrial cattle farming means less industrial agriculture.
  - improv 3y ago
    >The thinking is that a disproportionate amount of industrial agriculture is done in support of cattle farming Why is that the thinking? I've read that 86% of cattle feed is byproducts from industrial agriculture that is inedible to humans. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sacredcow.info/blog/qz6pi6cvjowjhxsh4dqg1dogiznou6%3fformat=amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sacredcow.info/blog/qz6pi6c...

Supermancho 3y ago

> edit: looks like I am already being downvoted. outstanding. Either your point stands or it isn't contributing anything. Pointing out that it's being voted one way or the other is frowned upon (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, near the bottom). It might be read that your motivations are emotionally based. Either way, it doesn't make the situation on HN or in the world, any better. +1, because I think that your post is important. Pointing out how this can be a way to characterize Don't Look Up never occurred to me.

whalesalad 3y ago
I wish HN took place in a physical arena because it would be much easier to identify friends who are operating outside the bounds of honesty, healthy debate and Socratic dialogue - and are just here to praise corporate overlords and protect the popular narrative. This is why I make reference to being downvoted as I genuinely feel a valid criticism is being oppressed by folks with an ulterior motive. Someone recently asked on a thread - "where have all the hackers gone?" I often ask myself the same question.
- chiefalchemist 3y ago
  My sense is, based on comments I've made and have been down voted, is that every _______ Industrial Complex has actors on HN. Some are likely employees who will naturally stick up for their industry and employer. However, there are plenty of hired-gun PR types who use the down vote to help influence the narrative.

mandmandam 3y ago

I know we're supposed to all pretend they don't exist and never talk about them, per the site "guidelines", but there is no doubt in my mind that Monsanto / Bayer / Roundup / Glyphosate goons are all over this right now. They swarm over stories like this. They gaslight and toxify, flag and bait. They're going to hit this one especially hard, because it's so important.

whalesalad 3y ago
The unfortunate overlap between hackers and monsanto is that the climate corporation (owned by them) is actually a pretty big user of the Clojure language.
- qup 3y ago
  ...why is that important? They probably use javascript, too. And a half-dozen other languages.
  - whalesalad 3y ago
    HN is the main watering hole for anyone doing lisp development.
parineum 3y ago
Is there no possibility that you're misinformed? No room for self reflection?
- mandmandam 3y ago
  I supposed you could prove me wrong: Try to find a HN thread about glyphosate where no one gaslights, deflects, toxifies or baits. Any time, in the whole history of HN. One single story, where no one tries to pretend or insinuate that Roundup / glyphosate is perfectly safe, or attack people / studies / lawsuits that suggest otherwise. The only rule is that it must have at least a dozen comments - there's no need to FUD on stories with no traction. Bonne chance!

improv 3y ago

Indeed, there are many who make so much noise made about how unsustainable and environmentally toxic industrial cattle farming is, but then it's crickets when it comes to how unsustainable and environmentally toxic industrial agriculture is.

namuol 3y ago
This could well be a regional thing, but where I’m from most who decry industrial cattle farming do so along with industrial agriculture. The thinking is that a disproportionate amount of industrial agriculture is done in support of cattle farming. Less industrial cattle farming means less industrial agriculture.
- improv 3y ago
  >The thinking is that a disproportionate amount of industrial agriculture is done in support of cattle farming Why is that the thinking? I've read that 86% of cattle feed is byproducts from industrial agriculture that is inedible to humans. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sacredcow.info/blog/qz6pi6cvjowjhxsh4dqg1dogiznou6%3fformat=amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sacredcow.info/blog/qz6pi6c...