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Well, first of all, it’s transactional. I have no particular affinity for any given service I use. If another service comes along that has enough upside to ove

Well, first of all, it’s transactional. I have no particular affinity for any given service I use. If another service comes along that has enough upside to overcome the momentum of switching, I’ll definitely do it, and I’m sure you would too, and maybe that will annoy the company. That goes the same for the company; if they have a chance to cash out, I’m sure they’d take it. And maybe that will annoy me. But the bigger point is that you conflate selling to a bigger company with more resources with “f[ing] their users,” which is just naive.

drcongo 3y ago
I'm a Bandcamp user, the sale to Epic fucked me over.
- wizerdrobe 3y ago
  I’ve admittedly aged into a stereotype out of an Hard Times article and so haven’t bought an album in years… What did they do exactly? My music is there I bought years back.
- heleninboodler 3y ago
  Like the sibling comment, I'd honestly be interested in hearing how they fucked you over. I know the whole "we will keep running it just like it's always been" trope is very hard to swallow, but it seems to me they actually had left it alone thus far. Am I wrong about that?
- amatecha 3y ago
  Same. The best online music service since Napster got screwed and it's never coming back. The writing is on the wall and it's clear that the "enshittification" officially begins.
mschuster91 3y ago
> But the bigger point is that you conflate selling to a bigger company with more resources with “f[ing] their users,” which is just naive. Because that's what happened to a lot of companies who got bought out - eventually the MBA sharks wanted their returns. Minecraft, MySQL, StackOverflow, Tumblr, Reddit, TwiXXer, they all fell victim to enshittification. Others just ossified with steady streams of Big Money coming in like Mozilla, Wikipedia or a ton of stuff from Adobe. Or they got closed down by Big Corp because they were no longer "profitable" enough like Google Reader. Personally, I'm happy enough that HN still exists.
gizmo 3y ago
"It's just transactional" "I don't owe anybody anything" "You're just naive" These are the rationalizations used to justify antisocial behavior. It's nihilistic and destructive to society. I've heard people espouse this kind of logic even when talking about employees who have worked for them for 20 years. They exchanged labor for pay and therefore nobody owes anybody anything. Yeah, right.
- sitkack 3y ago
  I wish I worked with people that share your philosophy.
JohnFen 3y ago
> But the bigger point is that you conflate selling to a bigger company with more resources with “f[ing] their users,” which is just naive. It's not naive, it's how these things go the majority of the time. I think that expecting otherwise is a bit naive.

drcongo 3y ago

I'm a Bandcamp user, the sale to Epic fucked me over.

wizerdrobe 3y ago
I’ve admittedly aged into a stereotype out of an Hard Times article and so haven’t bought an album in years… What did they do exactly? My music is there I bought years back.
heleninboodler 3y ago
Like the sibling comment, I'd honestly be interested in hearing how they fucked you over. I know the whole "we will keep running it just like it's always been" trope is very hard to swallow, but it seems to me they actually had left it alone thus far. Am I wrong about that?
amatecha 3y ago
Same. The best online music service since Napster got screwed and it's never coming back. The writing is on the wall and it's clear that the "enshittification" officially begins.

mschuster91 3y ago

> But the bigger point is that you conflate selling to a bigger company with more resources with “f[ing] their users,” which is just naive. Because that's what happened to a lot of companies who got bought out - eventually the MBA sharks wanted their returns. Minecraft, MySQL, StackOverflow, Tumblr, Reddit, TwiXXer, they all fell victim to enshittification. Others just ossified with steady streams of Big Money coming in like Mozilla, Wikipedia or a ton of stuff from Adobe. Or they got closed down by Big Corp because they were no longer "profitable" enough like Google Reader. Personally, I'm happy enough that HN still exists.

gizmo 3y ago

"It's just transactional" "I don't owe anybody anything" "You're just naive" These are the rationalizations used to justify antisocial behavior. It's nihilistic and destructive to society. I've heard people espouse this kind of logic even when talking about employees who have worked for them for 20 years. They exchanged labor for pay and therefore nobody owes anybody anything. Yeah, right.

sitkack 3y ago
I wish I worked with people that share your philosophy.

JohnFen 3y ago

> But the bigger point is that you conflate selling to a bigger company with more resources with “f[ing] their users,” which is just naive. It's not naive, it's how these things go the majority of the time. I think that expecting otherwise is a bit naive.