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Intel's Latest I9 Chip Has Speeds Up to 6GHz
- freedomben 3y agoOfficial announcement: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/news/intel-core-14th-gen-desktop-processors.html#gs.70o6ks https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/news/intel-...
- rnk 3y agoWith the immense success of the apple arm/silicon, is there a long term future of x86? I ask that facetiously of course, because intel makes extremely important and ubiquitous cpus used in so many market segments, takes in so much money, they can spend endless money chasing a better system that is vastly more power efficient. But they haven't been able to make much progress visible to my eye. I am hopeful that some of the other arm projects that seek to match apple's incredible hardware succeed in performance and energy use, and we can have more desktop systems using it.
- robotnikman 3y agoWorth noting, a big part of Apple Silicon success is not just ARM, but the fact that they throw enough money at TSMC to buy out all production of the latest and greatest node, locking out any competitors (excluding Intel and Samsung, but they are still playing catch up). ARM also has a few other problems that need to be fixed that are not seen in x86 IMO, like needing a standardized boot sequence like x86, and the whole problem of device makers releasing devices running outdated and no longer updated forks of linux due to the whole mess of drivers, device trees, etc
- huijzer 3y agoIsn’t it latest node *and* advanced packaging?
- drcongo 3y agoI'm an idiot when it comes to understanding CPUs, but as an end user of them, my feeling is that the M1 Pro MBP I bought on release is so absurdly good that I can't imagine needing to buy a new laptop for decade. It's runs silent and cool and simply never struggles with anything. Since Hetzner started offering ARM VMs on their cloud service, I've set up several servers on it which have been trouble-free, run cool, and offer way over twice the value of AMD64. I've no doubt you know what you're talking about with regards to problems that need fixing, but to a CPU idiot like me, they just seem like magic and I would absolutely hate to ever go back to using chips that cause 3rd degree burns of you use a laptop on your lap.
- Insanity 3y agoGenerally agree with the statement - I'm really happy with the M1 chip. But I as applications become more demanding over a time, a decade might be too optimistic given the boom in Generative AI. Also +1 on how silent it is.
- dijit 3y agoGenerally this is deemed “Jevons Paradox” and is part of why, ironically, consoles do not hold back game development but actually improve the experience for the majority of people - by setting hard caps on how much demand can actually be requested of a computer for a baseline experience.
- freeone3000 3y agoNvidia’s Grace-Hopper arch is probably the future here — a dedicated high-performance offload “GP” chip for big calculations with a small chip doing switching and routing and access control
- unethical_ban 3y agoFor workloads not offloaded to dedicated hardware (NN/LLM), I say CPUs for end users have been "good enough" for four or five years. The impressive things have been in efficiency, and in implementing new kinds of logic/instructions/architectures. I'd be plenty happy with my 5+ year old laptop if it had more than 40 minutes of battery life (Yeah I need to order a new battery. Yes, batteries used to be replaceable in laptops).
- fodkodrasz 3y agoI don't think Apple is interested in a standardized ARM boot sequence. I believe that the current proprietary stuff they have is totally fit for their goals.
- PlutoIsAPlanet 3y agoYet it's easier to dual boot ARM Mac devices with Linux than most other ARM devices.
- fodkodrasz 3y agoAfterall having a MacOS Darwin kernel bootstrap your Linux kernel is not any worse than having a GPU do it.
- robotnikman 3y agoYep. Thankfully that is the case with ARM macs, and there is a dedicated community of hackers who are figuring everything out. Though I hear in ARM servers there might now be a standard for booting, but I haven't looked into it. Makes sense since servers, can run a variety of OS's depending on the work, I would hope such a standardization makes its way to consumer devices, but I'm not holding my breath based on how things are going.
- ethbr1 3y agoHackers continually reverse engineering proprietary magic isn't a sustainable strategy. Ask the 90-10s open source GPU driver folks.
- freedomben 3y agoApple wouldn't want Linux to be a first-class citizen on their hardware that competes with them, so this is likely a feature not a bug for them. For Linux to always be 6 months or more behind and a little bit buggy (more buggy than macOS at least) keeps them exactly where they want them. They don't want linux competitive or better than macOS, but having that free work available can drive some hardware sales to a group who otherwise might not buy them. It's quite brilliant actually, in kind of an "evil genius" sort of way.
- grecy 3y ago> a big part of Apple Silicon success is fact that they throw enough money at TSMC to buy out all production of the latest and greatest node I see this all the time and I'm skeptical. Are you saying that Apple M(latest-1) is not faster and more thermally efficient than Intel/AMD(current) ?
- kcb 3y agoOnce you stop looking at Intel the situation is a lot less dire. The x86 perf/watt problem is primarily an Intel problem not an x86 problem.
- ethbr1 3y agoIt's not like Intel hasn't been there before, though.
- robotnikman 3y agoWhile not as efficient as Apple Silicon, I've had good experiences with AMD processors in mobile hardware, noticeably more better than Intel as well.
- jwells89 3y agoI think x86 has a future in consumer hardware, but it's not going to be in endlessly chasing maximum theoretical performance by making CPUs ever more power hungry. Performance per watt is now the key figure for anything aside from high end enthusiast PCs (and even then, many enthusiasts can't actually make good use of more raw power than is currently on the table). With that in mind, my thought is that it'd make sense to split off gigahertz-chasing enthusiast CPUs into a dedicated product line and brand while mainstream CPUs focus squarely on excellent zero-tweaking perf per watt.
- toast0 3y agoAs long as Apple's processors are tied to Apple's ecosystem, their success doesn't say much about the future of x86. Apple isn't going to win all the desktop and laptop business. I don't think they're interested in supplying processors and whatnots to the rest of the computer builders. They don't have a platform appropriate for servers. For those swayed by clock speed, Apple doesn't compete at all; sometimes you do need that small % throughput increase at large % power increase.
- AA-BA-94-2A-56 3y agoClock speed is not an indicator of performance.
- compilator1 3y agoBut good indicator of TDP. Those 6GHz could fry an egg.
- fyloraspit 3y agoI have a 13900k and can confirm, its basically an air fryer.
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- huytersd 3y agoFor per core performance, it surely is.
- BugsJustFindMe 3y agoClock only translates to performance when combined with Instructions-Per-Clock.
- bobim 3y agoIt used to be clocks per instruction, we are spoiled nowadays.
- AA-BA-94-2A-56 3y agoYou say that, but applications use up orders of magnitude more system resources these days due to being built upon several layers of abstractions. Some modern applications feel more sluggish than their feature-complete counterparts from back in the day.
- drcongo 3y agoIntel's Latest I9 Chip Has Temperatures Up to 15 Million Degrees Celsius
- blibble 3y agointel: gamers don't want tens of e cores 10900k was the highlight
- adventured 3y agoSure they do, so long as there are enough performance cores to go with it. Good CPUs today are vastly overpowered for gaming, and it's not remotely a close matter. There are only a few AAA titles that can push eg an i7-12700, much less anything better. The CPU segment is years ahead of where it needs to be in regards to gaming, there's absolutely zero practical concern in gaming around e-cores. Several years from now that i7-12700 will still be great for gaming as it pertains to AAA titles.
- blibble 3y ago> Sure they do, so long as there are enough performance cores to go with it. 9th gen i9 had 8 cores, 10th gen i9 had 10 cores, 11th gen went back to 8 and it's been stuck there since the 14900k is benchmarking worse than the 14700k there's only so much windows crap running in the background that needs e-cores > The CPU segment is years ahead of where it needs to be in regards to gaming, there's absolutely zero practical concern in gaming around e-cores. speak for yourself, my machine is CPU capped in esports titles after about 300fps or so more e-cores sat idle does nothing here
- inetknght 3y ago> there's only so much windows crap running in the background that needs e-cores Sounds like a challenge to Microsoft. I'm sure they can find more shit to do in the "background", like demanding you stand up and say McDonald's before you could have a password prompt.
- hulitu 3y ago> Sounds like a challenge to Microsoft. I'm sure they can find more shit to do in the "background", What do you think svchost.exe is for ?
- fodkodrasz 3y agoI feel nostalgik, had a P4 Northwood I recall. It was kinda cool back then, but not TDP-wise :)
- dinkblam 3y agoso it took us 6 years (1997-2003) to go from 300MHZ to 3GHZ but another 20 years to go from 3GHZ to 6GHZ.
- hulitu 3y ago> so it took us 6 years (1997-2003) to go from 300MHZ to 3GHZ but another 20 years to go from 3GHZ to 6GHZ. Well, with all competition gone (Alpha, PA-RISC, Sparc, MIPS, some x86 vendors) , you can finaly relax.