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They have bigger problems than that: they are prohibited by an ever increasing set of laws from making and selling the vehicles consumers would like to buy. Be

They have bigger problems than that: they are prohibited by an ever increasing set of laws from making and selling the vehicles consumers would like to buy. Being a government protected cartel was great for a while; but now they're all ossified into a mass that's going to sink. Jeepneys and tuktuks are gonna be the thing. I'd love to be in the small engine business about now, there's gonna be a big market for a 40HP to 150HP generic drop in "power unit" things.

Tokumei-no-hito 3y ago
I’m not familiar with these constraints. can you give me more details or links to learn?
- edrxty 3y ago
  IDK what op is annoyed by in particular, everyone with any interest in cars has their own bone to pick with the way the regs are structured. Personally, I'm frustrated you can't produce something like a 1990 NA Miata anymore or the tiny pickups that also existed around then like the Ranger or even a Hilux. Oddly enough the EPA is largely responsible for pickups growing into the size of dump trucks lately. They mandate anything vaguely car sized to have very stringent efficiency performance but if you just make the vehicle into a "light truck" those laws don't apply. As a result everything needs to be built like an absolute tank to survive a crash with these behemoths.
- h2odragon 3y ago
  I can argue against the requirements to include everything since airbags, if you catch me in the right mood. Even the less extreme may have doubts about required video systems and breathalyzer ignition interlocks.
wolverine876 3y ago
> they are prohibited by an ever increasing set of laws from making and selling the vehicles consumers would like to buy. What laws are you referring to?
- vinyl7 3y ago
  Obamas increased EPA requirements is part of the reason why everyone is driving around in giant tanks now. Less strict mpg requirements
  - wolverine876 3y ago
    More EPA requirements resulted in heavier vehicles?
    - nradov 3y ago
      Yes. Fuel economy rules are scaled by vehicle size. The way the regulations are written, it's actually easier to comply when building larger vehicles. https://www.resources.org/common-resources/how-much-do-regulations-for-fuel-economy-and-emissions-incentivize-the-production-of-larger-vehicles/ https://www.resources.org/common-resources/how-much-do-regul... Of course it's completely stupid and counterproductive for governments to set fuel economy mandates in the first place. If they want people to burn less fuel then just increase the tax on fuel and let the free market sort out solutions.
      - wolverine876 3y ago
        What if your choice, politically, is fuel economy mandates or nothing at all? Also, fuel taxes, like all sales taxes are regressive.
        nradov 3y ago
        That was never the choice. The Federal government started imposing a fuel excise tax in 1932 and has increased it several times. Obviously that was politically possible because it actually happened. States also impose their own excise taxes. https://lao.ca.gov/Transportation/FAQs https://lao.ca.gov/Transportation/FAQs
        wolverine876 3y ago

Tokumei-no-hito 3y ago

I’m not familiar with these constraints. can you give me more details or links to learn?

edrxty 3y ago
IDK what op is annoyed by in particular, everyone with any interest in cars has their own bone to pick with the way the regs are structured. Personally, I'm frustrated you can't produce something like a 1990 NA Miata anymore or the tiny pickups that also existed around then like the Ranger or even a Hilux. Oddly enough the EPA is largely responsible for pickups growing into the size of dump trucks lately. They mandate anything vaguely car sized to have very stringent efficiency performance but if you just make the vehicle into a "light truck" those laws don't apply. As a result everything needs to be built like an absolute tank to survive a crash with these behemoths.
h2odragon 3y ago
I can argue against the requirements to include everything since airbags, if you catch me in the right mood. Even the less extreme may have doubts about required video systems and breathalyzer ignition interlocks.

wolverine876 3y ago

> they are prohibited by an ever increasing set of laws from making and selling the vehicles consumers would like to buy. What laws are you referring to?

vinyl7 3y ago
Obamas increased EPA requirements is part of the reason why everyone is driving around in giant tanks now. Less strict mpg requirements
- wolverine876 3y ago
  More EPA requirements resulted in heavier vehicles?
  - nradov 3y ago
    Yes. Fuel economy rules are scaled by vehicle size. The way the regulations are written, it's actually easier to comply when building larger vehicles. https://www.resources.org/common-resources/how-much-do-regulations-for-fuel-economy-and-emissions-incentivize-the-production-of-larger-vehicles/ https://www.resources.org/common-resources/how-much-do-regul... Of course it's completely stupid and counterproductive for governments to set fuel economy mandates in the first place. If they want people to burn less fuel then just increase the tax on fuel and let the free market sort out solutions.
    - wolverine876 3y ago
      What if your choice, politically, is fuel economy mandates or nothing at all? Also, fuel taxes, like all sales taxes are regressive.
      - nradov 3y ago
        That was never the choice. The Federal government started imposing a fuel excise tax in 1932 and has increased it several times. Obviously that was politically possible because it actually happened. States also impose their own excise taxes. https://lao.ca.gov/Transportation/FAQs https://lao.ca.gov/Transportation/FAQs
        wolverine876 3y ago