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The communities i follow on mastodon are not talking about politics. Yes, you'll find more trans and out of the closet gay people there, but i only remember rea

by orwin 3y ago

The communities i follow on mastodon are not talking about politics. Yes, you'll find more trans and out of the closet gay people there, but i only remember reading once about a trans issue that had nothing to do with cybersec.

wkat4242 3y ago
Trans-haters consider every post by a trans person a 'trans issue'. As if it's the only thing that defines a person. It doesn't matter what they're talking about, just the simple fact that they're trans makes whatever they say a 'controversial political statement' in their eyes. I don't get why there's so much hate on trans people these days. It's even blown over to Holland. It's very sad to see that a country that was once so progressive in embracing homosexuality is now becoming so backwards. It's very sad to see.
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- crepple 3y ago
  > I don't get why there's so much hate on trans people these days. Most people were willing to be tolerant when there was a perception of negligible negative impact to others. But now that there are so many well-publicised incidents showing otherwise, such as male inmates attacking women in the female prison estate [1], males invading female-only lesbian events [2], males dominating in women's sports [3], and many, many other transgressions mostly harming women and children, there is an increasingly negative sentiment towards both the trans-identifying and the belief system of gender identity that has enabled all of this. All of this may seem like a surprising outcome to some, but feminists of the radical school of thought predicted most of it way back in the 1970s, when the concept of a 'male-to-female transsexual' was being popularised, making the astute observation that this was just yet another manifestation of patriarchy, a way for men to dominate women. [1] https://womensliberationfront.org/womens-prisons https://womensliberationfront.org/womens-prisons [2] https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/lesbian-speed-dating-event-is-accused-of-transphobia-for-saying-only-adult-human-females-can-attend-would-be-matchmaker-turned-up-in-erection.5352686/ https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/lesbian-speed-dating-e... [3] https://reduxx.info/male-cyclists-take-home-first-second-places-at-womens-cyclocross-cup-in-chicago/ https://reduxx.info/male-cyclists-take-home-first-second-pla...
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    These are not "trans issues" though. They are misbehaving people that happen to be trans. There is no reason to be opposed to transsexuality because of this. It's not ok to hate a whole group of people due to the transgressions of some of them. This is true for religous people, people of colour, heritage, and of different gender identities. Though for some reason people find it harder to see this for the latter group. What we do with speed dating here is we simply match people by their interest. Trans people can come but other participants can indicate whether they are open to dating trans people. So we simply don't match those who don't want to. This is a simple and effective solution. In the same way they don't match me as a cis male with other men (or lesbian women for that matter). I guess there previously were Lesbian speed dating events where no such matching was necessary but it's not as if it's a huge deal to ask each participant their preferences. By the way, in general most trans people overwhelmingly end up dating other trans people anyway. For the sports thing society simply has to figure that one out. I don't have the answers either and I don't care about sports. But people being trans is not the problem.
    - crepple 3y ago
      No, the problem is deeper than just individual misbehaviour. To accommodate those men who call themselves women and demand that everyone else see them as women too, what has happened is practically every female-only space has been co-opted for this purpose, typically without the consent of the women who use those spaces. Women shouldn't have to put up with this violation of boundaries that has been forced upon them. There's no reason why males have to be incarcerated in women's prisons, compete in women's sports, or indeed be in any space for women. Your proposal for speed dating is part of the problem too, as you again ignore the impact upon women and consider only the male perspective. Lesbian women should be well within their rights to draw a boundary that says no males allowed, and not be punished for it. > But people being trans is not the problem. Technically, you are correct. But as I'm sure you know, it is very, very rare that you'll find a so-called 'trans women' who doesn't use female spaces and has no intention of ever doing so. For the rest: each and every one of those males who use or demand to use female-only spaces is a problem.
OfSanguineFire 3y ago
Follow the communities that actually develop Mastodon software, run instances, and oversee the federation. There is such an overlap between them and trans-as-subculture that, as Mastodon has grown and brought in wider society, there have even been concerns voiced that the “original trans vibe” of Mastodon is going to get diluted. If you don’t care about trans issues and are interested instead in a nerd culture where identity, fashion, personal grooming, the body, etc. are irrelevant and the focus is solely on computing or other obsessive hobbies, then it’s easy to feel like you don’t fit in on Mastodon. As for politics on Mastodon, if you follow the daily top posts, a good half of them will be on political issues in a small handful of countries. It is no different from any for-profit social network.

by orwin 3y ago

wkat4242 3y ago

Trans-haters consider every post by a trans person a 'trans issue'. As if it's the only thing that defines a person. It doesn't matter what they're talking about, just the simple fact that they're trans makes whatever they say a 'controversial political statement' in their eyes. I don't get why there's so much hate on trans people these days. It's even blown over to Holland. It's very sad to see that a country that was once so progressive in embracing homosexuality is now becoming so backwards. It's very sad to see.

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crepple 3y ago
> I don't get why there's so much hate on trans people these days. Most people were willing to be tolerant when there was a perception of negligible negative impact to others. But now that there are so many well-publicised incidents showing otherwise, such as male inmates attacking women in the female prison estate [1], males invading female-only lesbian events [2], males dominating in women's sports [3], and many, many other transgressions mostly harming women and children, there is an increasingly negative sentiment towards both the trans-identifying and the belief system of gender identity that has enabled all of this. All of this may seem like a surprising outcome to some, but feminists of the radical school of thought predicted most of it way back in the 1970s, when the concept of a 'male-to-female transsexual' was being popularised, making the astute observation that this was just yet another manifestation of patriarchy, a way for men to dominate women. [1] https://womensliberationfront.org/womens-prisons https://womensliberationfront.org/womens-prisons [2] https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/lesbian-speed-dating-event-is-accused-of-transphobia-for-saying-only-adult-human-females-can-attend-would-be-matchmaker-turned-up-in-erection.5352686/ https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/lesbian-speed-dating-e... [3] https://reduxx.info/male-cyclists-take-home-first-second-places-at-womens-cyclocross-cup-in-chicago/ https://reduxx.info/male-cyclists-take-home-first-second-pla...
- wkat4242 3y ago
  These are not "trans issues" though. They are misbehaving people that happen to be trans. There is no reason to be opposed to transsexuality because of this. It's not ok to hate a whole group of people due to the transgressions of some of them. This is true for religous people, people of colour, heritage, and of different gender identities. Though for some reason people find it harder to see this for the latter group. What we do with speed dating here is we simply match people by their interest. Trans people can come but other participants can indicate whether they are open to dating trans people. So we simply don't match those who don't want to. This is a simple and effective solution. In the same way they don't match me as a cis male with other men (or lesbian women for that matter). I guess there previously were Lesbian speed dating events where no such matching was necessary but it's not as if it's a huge deal to ask each participant their preferences. By the way, in general most trans people overwhelmingly end up dating other trans people anyway. For the sports thing society simply has to figure that one out. I don't have the answers either and I don't care about sports. But people being trans is not the problem.
  - crepple 3y ago
    No, the problem is deeper than just individual misbehaviour. To accommodate those men who call themselves women and demand that everyone else see them as women too, what has happened is practically every female-only space has been co-opted for this purpose, typically without the consent of the women who use those spaces. Women shouldn't have to put up with this violation of boundaries that has been forced upon them. There's no reason why males have to be incarcerated in women's prisons, compete in women's sports, or indeed be in any space for women. Your proposal for speed dating is part of the problem too, as you again ignore the impact upon women and consider only the male perspective. Lesbian women should be well within their rights to draw a boundary that says no males allowed, and not be punished for it. > But people being trans is not the problem. Technically, you are correct. But as I'm sure you know, it is very, very rare that you'll find a so-called 'trans women' who doesn't use female spaces and has no intention of ever doing so. For the rest: each and every one of those males who use or demand to use female-only spaces is a problem.

OfSanguineFire 3y ago

Follow the communities that actually develop Mastodon software, run instances, and oversee the federation. There is such an overlap between them and trans-as-subculture that, as Mastodon has grown and brought in wider society, there have even been concerns voiced that the “original trans vibe” of Mastodon is going to get diluted. If you don’t care about trans issues and are interested instead in a nerd culture where identity, fashion, personal grooming, the body, etc. are irrelevant and the focus is solely on computing or other obsessive hobbies, then it’s easy to feel like you don’t fit in on Mastodon. As for politics on Mastodon, if you follow the daily top posts, a good half of them will be on political issues in a small handful of countries. It is no different from any for-profit social network.