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I have a Firefox account to sync my browser settings. Renaming it to Mozilla account feels like trying to convince me to use other stuff that Mozilla has. Rega

by aerzen 3y ago

I have a Firefox account to sync my browser settings. Renaming it to Mozilla account feels like trying to convince me to use other stuff that Mozilla has. Regardless of Mozilla being an "opensource friendly" company, this is perverted.

gerdesj 3y ago
The brand is Mozilla for FF and always has been. How on earth is finally fixing your branding "perverted"? At worst it has taken decades to get their act in gear! You can fiddle with other Mozilla branded stuff or not ... no biggie - its still your choice. No perverts were harmed producing the preceding paragraph.
- barrkel 3y ago
  The Firefox brand is stronger than the Mozilla brand, so it feels like an exec move to try and leverage something to boost something else. On the copy of Firefox I'm typing this in, the only obvious mention of Mozilla is in the About dialog, where it says somewhere in the blurb in the middle that "Firefox is designed by Mozilla". The main app menu (macOS) says Firefox. The icon when you switch apps says Firefox. The app you start when you Cmd-Space is Firefox. The install directory is /Applications/Firefox.app. There's another "More from Mozilla" in the Preferences, but the icon, which kinda has to be a Mozilla icon, looks out of place with the other icons.
Nextgrid 3y ago
> Regardless of Mozilla being an "opensource friendly" company, this is perverted. Mozilla's messaging over the past few years has always been perverted, all talk and no action. They "care about your privacy", yet their tracking protection was for a long time whitelisting known malicious domains from trackers. Their telemetry implementation in the browser to this day does not comply with the GDPR as it's opt-out rather than opt-in. The browser, despite being free, open-source and supposedly on your side (a purported user-agent), uses many user-hostile tactics typical of malicious closed-source software such as frequent nagging, bad/annoying defaults, etc.
- wkat4242 3y ago
  Yeah the one bad default I excuse for them is Google as search. Since it pays for the whole thing obviously. And it's easy to change and it never nags you to put it back. Other stuff such as pocket..Grrr
- zx8080 3y ago
  > Mozilla's messaging over the past few years has always been perverted This is just a corporate PR (or enterprise bullshit). Nothing to do with reality. No one should ever trust corpirate PR in the same way other human beings are trusted. Because a company is not a human being. Although both __can__ speak similar language (of words and sentences). The difference is that the corporation is (almost) never held responsible for any words it outputs. It literally can say anything and get dry out of water later even for a complete bullshit.
- m-p-3 3y ago
  They did add some privacy-preserving features and services, like locally-processed translation (Bergamot) and Relay to hide your real email.
r00fus 3y ago
Do you login to your Windows with a Windows account or a Microsoft ID? Do you attach a Mac account to your MacBook or an Apple ID? Tying the arguably weaker brand to the stronger one is so commonplace in the industry that it’s a bit laughable to call it perverted.
- meristohm 3y ago
  Not GP, but chiming in: When I used Windows 10 (and all the way back to... 3.1, I think? I'm only middle-aged), I logged into that OS with a username and password. No way was I going to use a Microsoft account, and now it's moot since I just use Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE), since I like what both the Mint and Debian teams are doing so far. Same for my work computer (local government entity/utility). Perverted does seem like overly strong language to describe something I just prefer not be the case but which many others (presumably) could care less about.
- hsbauauvhabzb 3y ago
  There seems to be 3-4 types of authentication within the Microsoft cloud ecosystem. I find it extremely confusing.
- Macha 3y ago
  I log in to my Windows machines with a local user account. These are unbranded, but I'd call them a Windows account. I didn't attach an Apple ID to my Macbook either.
  - m-p-3 3y ago
    You still get the analogy though.
  - elashri 3y ago
    I think you can say that you can use Firefox without the need to have a Firefox/Mozilla account. It is not a requirement to use the browser.

by aerzen 3y ago

gerdesj 3y ago

The brand is Mozilla for FF and always has been. How on earth is finally fixing your branding "perverted"? At worst it has taken decades to get their act in gear! You can fiddle with other Mozilla branded stuff or not ... no biggie - its still your choice. No perverts were harmed producing the preceding paragraph.

barrkel 3y ago
The Firefox brand is stronger than the Mozilla brand, so it feels like an exec move to try and leverage something to boost something else. On the copy of Firefox I'm typing this in, the only obvious mention of Mozilla is in the About dialog, where it says somewhere in the blurb in the middle that "Firefox is designed by Mozilla". The main app menu (macOS) says Firefox. The icon when you switch apps says Firefox. The app you start when you Cmd-Space is Firefox. The install directory is /Applications/Firefox.app. There's another "More from Mozilla" in the Preferences, but the icon, which kinda has to be a Mozilla icon, looks out of place with the other icons.

Nextgrid 3y ago

> Regardless of Mozilla being an "opensource friendly" company, this is perverted. Mozilla's messaging over the past few years has always been perverted, all talk and no action. They "care about your privacy", yet their tracking protection was for a long time whitelisting known malicious domains from trackers. Their telemetry implementation in the browser to this day does not comply with the GDPR as it's opt-out rather than opt-in. The browser, despite being free, open-source and supposedly on your side (a purported user-agent), uses many user-hostile tactics typical of malicious closed-source software such as frequent nagging, bad/annoying defaults, etc.

wkat4242 3y ago
Yeah the one bad default I excuse for them is Google as search. Since it pays for the whole thing obviously. And it's easy to change and it never nags you to put it back. Other stuff such as pocket..Grrr
zx8080 3y ago
> Mozilla's messaging over the past few years has always been perverted This is just a corporate PR (or enterprise bullshit). Nothing to do with reality. No one should ever trust corpirate PR in the same way other human beings are trusted. Because a company is not a human being. Although both __can__ speak similar language (of words and sentences). The difference is that the corporation is (almost) never held responsible for any words it outputs. It literally can say anything and get dry out of water later even for a complete bullshit.
m-p-3 3y ago
They did add some privacy-preserving features and services, like locally-processed translation (Bergamot) and Relay to hide your real email.

r00fus 3y ago

Do you login to your Windows with a Windows account or a Microsoft ID? Do you attach a Mac account to your MacBook or an Apple ID? Tying the arguably weaker brand to the stronger one is so commonplace in the industry that it’s a bit laughable to call it perverted.

meristohm 3y ago
Not GP, but chiming in: When I used Windows 10 (and all the way back to... 3.1, I think? I'm only middle-aged), I logged into that OS with a username and password. No way was I going to use a Microsoft account, and now it's moot since I just use Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE), since I like what both the Mint and Debian teams are doing so far. Same for my work computer (local government entity/utility). Perverted does seem like overly strong language to describe something I just prefer not be the case but which many others (presumably) could care less about.
hsbauauvhabzb 3y ago
There seems to be 3-4 types of authentication within the Microsoft cloud ecosystem. I find it extremely confusing.
Macha 3y ago
I log in to my Windows machines with a local user account. These are unbranded, but I'd call them a Windows account. I didn't attach an Apple ID to my Macbook either.
- m-p-3 3y ago
  You still get the analogy though.
- elashri 3y ago
  I think you can say that you can use Firefox without the need to have a Firefox/Mozilla account. It is not a requirement to use the browser.