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You need about 4Mbps up for a high quality stream up to converse live in HD. A reasonable asymmetrical connection on plain Jane docsis 3.1 already offers 20-50M

You need about 4Mbps up for a high quality stream up to converse live in HD. A reasonable asymmetrical connection on plain Jane docsis 3.1 already offers 20-50Mbps. It being asymmetrical isn't preventing many from working remotely. A bigger issue is how many areas are so poorly served that in the present time there is no point calling it high speed. That said ISPs tend to scale up with down so even if you might be reasonably served with 100Mbps down if you want a reasonable up you will have to upgrade to the higher down. If you intend to work from home this doesn't seem altogether unreasonable. When working for an ISP I was always surprised about how many complainers whose remote work was "so" important paid for bad speed, delivered via bad hardware, connected to bad wifi, on another floor.

westurner 3y ago
From https://www.boxcast.com/blog/internet-speeds-for-4k-live-streaming https://www.boxcast.com/blog/internet-speeds-for-4k-live-str... : > Even with good compression, video content still requires a significant amount of bandwidth. For example, YouTube recommends sending 34 Mbps for 4Kp30, and 50 Mbps for 4Kp60. > In addition to needing high internet speed for 4k streaming, you need to factor in more bandwidth for your audio (typically in the 128–320 Kbps range) and a small amount more for overhead. Then double it — you should plan to always stay at 50% or less of available bandwidth in case of disruptions
- michaelmrose 3y ago
  This isn't terribly relevant because remote work gets done via tools like zoom at 2-4Mbps up not by live streaming 4K on youtube.
Dylan16807 3y ago
4Mbps up per person can work, but much the same way as 15Mbps down can work. It's very reasonable to want much more. > That said ISPs tend to scale up with down Not in my experience, on both cable and phone lines.
- michaelmrose 3y ago
  Every major cable ISP in the US works this way. Logically this is because they aren't upstream limited except insofar as the inherent limits of DOCSIS 3.1 providing higher upstream is a very obvious market segmentation tool to get folks to pay for higher tier plans. For instance here is a good example of Comcasts scale in upload https://www.connectcalifornia.com/internet-service/xfinity-pricing https://www.connectcalifornia.com/internet-service/xfinity-p... Astound is the same Spectrum https://www.reddit.com/r/Spectrum/comments/z1f5tm/dumb_question_what_are_the_upload_speeds_for/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Spectrum/comments/z1f5tm/dumb_quest... Please forgive the annoying second party sources most providers have this annoying flow where you have to almost sign up for internet to see specs and such.
  - Dylan16807 3y ago
    Huh, okay. Well I couldn't find good info of increases last time I looked, and Spectrum was running 100 and 300 at the exact same upload. Good to know I could overpay for 35 if I needed to.

westurner 3y ago

From https://www.boxcast.com/blog/internet-speeds-for-4k-live-streaming https://www.boxcast.com/blog/internet-speeds-for-4k-live-str... : > Even with good compression, video content still requires a significant amount of bandwidth. For example, YouTube recommends sending 34 Mbps for 4Kp30, and 50 Mbps for 4Kp60. > In addition to needing high internet speed for 4k streaming, you need to factor in more bandwidth for your audio (typically in the 128–320 Kbps range) and a small amount more for overhead. Then double it — you should plan to always stay at 50% or less of available bandwidth in case of disruptions

michaelmrose 3y ago
This isn't terribly relevant because remote work gets done via tools like zoom at 2-4Mbps up not by live streaming 4K on youtube.

Dylan16807 3y ago

4Mbps up per person can work, but much the same way as 15Mbps down can work. It's very reasonable to want much more. > That said ISPs tend to scale up with down Not in my experience, on both cable and phone lines.

michaelmrose 3y ago
Every major cable ISP in the US works this way. Logically this is because they aren't upstream limited except insofar as the inherent limits of DOCSIS 3.1 providing higher upstream is a very obvious market segmentation tool to get folks to pay for higher tier plans. For instance here is a good example of Comcasts scale in upload https://www.connectcalifornia.com/internet-service/xfinity-pricing https://www.connectcalifornia.com/internet-service/xfinity-p... Astound is the same Spectrum https://www.reddit.com/r/Spectrum/comments/z1f5tm/dumb_question_what_are_the_upload_speeds_for/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Spectrum/comments/z1f5tm/dumb_quest... Please forgive the annoying second party sources most providers have this annoying flow where you have to almost sign up for internet to see specs and such.
- Dylan16807 3y ago
  Huh, okay. Well I couldn't find good info of increases last time I looked, and Spectrum was running 100 and 300 at the exact same upload. Good to know I could overpay for 35 if I needed to.