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Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customers' cars: Ex-employees

86 points by samaysharma 3y ago

clouddrover 3y ago
> It said it decided not to fine the company after Tesla said it had made several changes to Sentry Mode, including having a vehicle's headlights pulse to inform passers-by that they may be being recorded. Why would anyone think pulsing headlights means they are being recorded? They're much more likely to simply think there's something wrong with the headlights.
- mrtksn 3y ago
  It would totally make me think that I'm watched and if I'm being watched maybe I'm being recorded too. However, I still don't like the proliferation of the 7/24 surveillance. Should start a religion or something that strongly prohibits that so we can push back a bit maybe.
  - borissk 3y ago
    No need for a religion - just don't buy the products of companies, like Tesla, that don't know what privacy means.
    - mrtksn 3y ago
      What if someone buys one and parks close to my home?
      - colejohnson66 3y ago
        In many states, there’s already nothing stopping your neighbor pointing a camera at your doorstep. Why does a car on the street make it any different?
        seanmcdirmid 3y ago
        Is there any US state that provides for an expectation of not being video recorded in public spaces? Europe is different.
        mrtksn 3y ago
        Because neighbours don't do that and if someone does that you can politely ask stop doing it. Not everything has to go through the government I'm not everything has to be a lawsuit or regulated behaviour.
    - rpgwaiter 3y ago
      Yeah but.. there are no new cars for sale in the US that don't violate your privacy in a ton of ways. I guess you could get an old used car
      - borissk 3y ago
        There is difference in the degree in which they do the violation.
  - ShamelessC 3y ago
    > It would totally make me think that I'm watched and if I'm being watched maybe I'm being recorded too. That’s not really a common point of view.
2023throwawayy 3y ago
I wonder if their newly announced API will give you direct access to your most compromising moments.
- pierat 3y ago
  Here's the library name /sarcasm com.tesla.vehicle.image.ai.nude ---------------- But seriously, Im done with Internet of Shit, AI this, shitcoin that. I'm done with this future. It blows. I want my 1990's new, young, unprofitized raw internet back. And unconnected cars, appliances that arent spyware terminals, anti-user computers named "phones". Im done with all the anti-human shit, all just to extract a few more cents per person, at scale.
  - jjoonathan 3y ago
    You don't own the future. Investors do, and they want income. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCylH-WzqrU&t=76s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCylH-WzqrU&t=76s
    - salawat 3y ago
      The only way to hit an investor where it hurts is to refuse to do what they think is profitablr. That means looking at management, as a collective of people who can do the eork, and saying "no, I won't do that". We now return you to your normally scheduled rendition of "Iterated Prisoner's Dilemna".
  - dgrin91 3y ago
    Don't forget to tell the kids to get off your lawn.
dannb 3y ago
Both believable and a total bummer.
ericfrazier 3y ago
Employee actions reflect their leadership.
- mattigames 3y ago
  Nobody would be surprised in the slightest if Elon shared some himself.
  - plasticsoprano 3y ago
    he already shared private photos he didn't have permission on with the Amber Heard cosplay. If he does that with someone he "cared" about then why wouldn't he do it with random customers.
- post_break 3y ago
  Apple store employees shared nudes of customers, and have been busted multiple times. Do you still stand by your statement?
  - mehlmao 3y ago
    Yes
  - ericfrazier 3y ago
    Uh, yes? Of course. They are just another company that cares little for your privacy. Apple OSes Are Insecure by Design to Aid Surveillance https://sneak.berlin/20231005/apple-operating-system-surveillance/ https://sneak.berlin/20231005/apple-operating-system-surveil...
- kcplate 3y ago
  *Some
DaveExeter 3y ago
I am shocked, shocked that such a thing could ever happen.
purpleblue 3y ago
Elon has been constantly getting hammered by the media, social media, etc. And yet it doesn't affect Tesla at all. It actually couldn't be doing better. Does anyone have any thoughts on how Tesla is able to escape this wrath?
- Turing_Machine 3y ago
  I think people are becoming immune to the "cancel" thing. It's become boring.
  - Turing_Machine 3y ago
    Like I said: boring.
- belltaco 3y ago
  The cars are much better than the competition at the price point, the software and updates are far ahead of the slow clunky interfaces that are never updated. Dealers charging $400 to update maps is BS. People gush over them and it spreads word of mouth. The green aspect makes it popular among moderate liberals, only the immoderate folks stop buying Tesla because of politics. And they're not as numerous as they think they are, because they drown out positive news and opposing opinions in their online circles like on HN.
  - throwaway128128 3y ago
    Crashy hard suspensions, misaligned panels, steering wheels with disintegrating foam, pleather that warps and melts in contact with body oils... The competition has caught up in the drivetrain dept and completely eclipsed Tesla in the fit and finish department. Supercharging is the last ace up Tesla's sleeve.
plasticsoprano 3y ago
Not entirely new. I worked for CompUSA back in the day and I know for a fact that the services team that did repairs on computers back then did 2 things the second a computer was functional, scan for MP3s and nudes, then copy those to a couple drives they kept in the shop to power their WinAmp and distribute to those that wanted copies. I also know my college roommate ran the 1-hour photo at a walgreens and if there were personal photos be developed he made copies for himself. At the end of the day any system you don't control that doesn't have verifiable E2E encryption puts your sensitive images at risk.
- hotpotamus 3y ago
  > I also know my college roommate ran the 1-hour photo at a walgreens and if there were personal photos be developed he made copies for himself. Robin Williams made a movie about that. But speaking as a former photo lab guy, I can tell you that while the odd photo might get you to call a couple coworkers over for a peek, no one really cared to collect anyone else's photos.
- quantified 3y ago
  From April, so not at all new.
- flashback2199 3y ago
  I must have missed the part where getting in my own vehicle is the same as getting 1 hour photos developed at Walgreens.
nonrandomstring 3y ago
I think what caused the outrage was that allegedly videos of accidents were being shared as "funny memes", or at least made a mockery of. And one included someone's kid being hit by a Tesla car while on a bike [0]. In another funnier incident the contents of Musk's own garage were exposed, though presumably he wasn't the "completely naked man" in the story. [0] https://cybershow.uk/episodes.php?id=12 https://cybershow.uk/episodes.php?id=12 @t=1m10s

86 points by samaysharma 3y ago

> It said it decided not to fine the company after Tesla said it had made several changes to Sentry Mode, including having a vehicle's headlights pulse to inform passers-by that they may be being recorded. Why would anyone think pulsing headlights means they are being recorded? They're much more likely to simply think there's something wrong with the headlights.

mrtksn 3y ago
It would totally make me think that I'm watched and if I'm being watched maybe I'm being recorded too. However, I still don't like the proliferation of the 7/24 surveillance. Should start a religion or something that strongly prohibits that so we can push back a bit maybe.
- borissk 3y ago
  No need for a religion - just don't buy the products of companies, like Tesla, that don't know what privacy means.
  - mrtksn 3y ago
    What if someone buys one and parks close to my home?
    - colejohnson66 3y ago
      In many states, there’s already nothing stopping your neighbor pointing a camera at your doorstep. Why does a car on the street make it any different?
      - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
        Is there any US state that provides for an expectation of not being video recorded in public spaces? Europe is different.
      - mrtksn 3y ago
        Because neighbours don't do that and if someone does that you can politely ask stop doing it. Not everything has to go through the government I'm not everything has to be a lawsuit or regulated behaviour.
  - rpgwaiter 3y ago
    Yeah but.. there are no new cars for sale in the US that don't violate your privacy in a ton of ways. I guess you could get an old used car
    - borissk 3y ago
      There is difference in the degree in which they do the violation.
- ShamelessC 3y ago
  > It would totally make me think that I'm watched and if I'm being watched maybe I'm being recorded too. That’s not really a common point of view.

2023throwawayy 3y ago

I wonder if their newly announced API will give you direct access to your most compromising moments.

pierat 3y ago
Here's the library name /sarcasm com.tesla.vehicle.image.ai.nude ---------------- But seriously, Im done with Internet of Shit, AI this, shitcoin that. I'm done with this future. It blows. I want my 1990's new, young, unprofitized raw internet back. And unconnected cars, appliances that arent spyware terminals, anti-user computers named "phones". Im done with all the anti-human shit, all just to extract a few more cents per person, at scale.
- jjoonathan 3y ago
  You don't own the future. Investors do, and they want income. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCylH-WzqrU&t=76s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCylH-WzqrU&t=76s
  - salawat 3y ago
    The only way to hit an investor where it hurts is to refuse to do what they think is profitablr. That means looking at management, as a collective of people who can do the eork, and saying "no, I won't do that". We now return you to your normally scheduled rendition of "Iterated Prisoner's Dilemna".
- dgrin91 3y ago
  Don't forget to tell the kids to get off your lawn.

dannb 3y ago

Both believable and a total bummer.

ericfrazier 3y ago

Employee actions reflect their leadership.

mattigames 3y ago
Nobody would be surprised in the slightest if Elon shared some himself.
- plasticsoprano 3y ago
  he already shared private photos he didn't have permission on with the Amber Heard cosplay. If he does that with someone he "cared" about then why wouldn't he do it with random customers.
post_break 3y ago
Apple store employees shared nudes of customers, and have been busted multiple times. Do you still stand by your statement?
- mehlmao 3y ago
  Yes
- ericfrazier 3y ago
  Uh, yes? Of course. They are just another company that cares little for your privacy. Apple OSes Are Insecure by Design to Aid Surveillance https://sneak.berlin/20231005/apple-operating-system-surveillance/ https://sneak.berlin/20231005/apple-operating-system-surveil...
kcplate 3y ago
*Some

DaveExeter 3y ago

I am shocked, shocked that such a thing could ever happen.

purpleblue 3y ago

Elon has been constantly getting hammered by the media, social media, etc. And yet it doesn't affect Tesla at all. It actually couldn't be doing better. Does anyone have any thoughts on how Tesla is able to escape this wrath?

Turing_Machine 3y ago
I think people are becoming immune to the "cancel" thing. It's become boring.
- Turing_Machine 3y ago
  Like I said: boring.
belltaco 3y ago
The cars are much better than the competition at the price point, the software and updates are far ahead of the slow clunky interfaces that are never updated. Dealers charging $400 to update maps is BS. People gush over them and it spreads word of mouth. The green aspect makes it popular among moderate liberals, only the immoderate folks stop buying Tesla because of politics. And they're not as numerous as they think they are, because they drown out positive news and opposing opinions in their online circles like on HN.
- throwaway128128 3y ago
  Crashy hard suspensions, misaligned panels, steering wheels with disintegrating foam, pleather that warps and melts in contact with body oils... The competition has caught up in the drivetrain dept and completely eclipsed Tesla in the fit and finish department. Supercharging is the last ace up Tesla's sleeve.

plasticsoprano 3y ago

Not entirely new. I worked for CompUSA back in the day and I know for a fact that the services team that did repairs on computers back then did 2 things the second a computer was functional, scan for MP3s and nudes, then copy those to a couple drives they kept in the shop to power their WinAmp and distribute to those that wanted copies. I also know my college roommate ran the 1-hour photo at a walgreens and if there were personal photos be developed he made copies for himself. At the end of the day any system you don't control that doesn't have verifiable E2E encryption puts your sensitive images at risk.

hotpotamus 3y ago
> I also know my college roommate ran the 1-hour photo at a walgreens and if there were personal photos be developed he made copies for himself. Robin Williams made a movie about that. But speaking as a former photo lab guy, I can tell you that while the odd photo might get you to call a couple coworkers over for a peek, no one really cared to collect anyone else's photos.
quantified 3y ago
From April, so not at all new.
flashback2199 3y ago
I must have missed the part where getting in my own vehicle is the same as getting 1 hour photos developed at Walgreens.

nonrandomstring 3y ago

I think what caused the outrage was that allegedly videos of accidents were being shared as "funny memes", or at least made a mockery of. And one included someone's kid being hit by a Tesla car while on a bike [0]. In another funnier incident the contents of Musk's own garage were exposed, though presumably he wasn't the "completely naked man" in the story. [0] https://cybershow.uk/episodes.php?id=12 https://cybershow.uk/episodes.php?id=12 @t=1m10s