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Israeli Military Says Northern Gaza Has 24 Hours to Evacuate

11 points by jbegley 3y ago

asimpleusecase 3y ago
Most of article is pay walled.
tguvot 3y ago
to evacuate past gaza river in next 24h. it means ground operation at south of gaza strip to find tunnels/rocket launchers/weapon caches/etc.
- tguvot 3y ago
  actually looks like israel never said "24h". and it did define evacuation routes
megous 3y ago
After indiscriminate targetting of civilian population by Israel, this looks like another war crime: forced displacement. And on an absolutely unimaginable scale at that. People will lose everything, population in the south will double in concentration, with no infrastructure to serve the >1 milion of persons that Israel is forcing there and this is just murderous on people who can't move at all. How are they supposed to all (1 mil.+ people) move many without gas/cars/.../with lots of roads bombed, in such a short time, over such a long distance? Unconscionable attrocity, this is.
- 0xDEF 3y ago
  They are being asked to move 15 km.
  - megous 3y ago
    They are not being "asked".
    - weatherlite 3y ago
      No you're right lets all wait for a referendum on that.
      - megous 3y ago
        You make no sense.
  - hackerlight 3y ago
    With oil blockaded, meaning many have to walk, no water supply, no electricity for communications, and 1 million people in a dense area. That is not a good faith request. It is a request designed to give an excuse for what's to come.
- raxxorraxor 3y ago
  Well, Israel will be accused of war crimes and genocide if they defend themselves or not. > How are they supposed to all (1 mil.+ people) move many without gas/cars/.../with lots of roads bombed, in such a short time, over such a long distance? Release the hostages, don't fire rockets at Israel.
  - megous 3y ago
    > Release the hostages, don't fire rockets at Israel. How do you know that will stop anything of Isreal's plans? They woved vengeance, not "an operation to recover hostages".
    - nradov 3y ago
      There are no guarantees, but Israel has generally been willing to negotiate with terrorists in the past. Hypothetically if Hamas were to offer an unconditional surrender including release of all hostages, destruction of weapons, and extradition of the murderers who perpetrated the recent massacre in exchange for Israel cancelling the ground invasion and lifting the siege then I'm pretty sure that Israel would take that deal.
- weatherlite 3y ago
  Since Hamas is deliberately hiding inside the citizen population (and threatening the population not to leave), its best the citizen population that can move away to the south do that. Btw there are quite a few temporarily displaced Israelis - either people whose community was shattered by the killing rampage or people who are traumatized by the constant missile sirens and running for shelter. Impossible to come by numbers but wouldn't surprise me if its in the hundred thousands.
  - megous 3y ago
    > Since Hamas is deliberately hiding inside the citizen population And where should Hamas be? Hamas is a government of Gaza. They are part of the citizenry. It's not some third party entity. Entirety of Gaza is either populated, or consists of small areas of agricultural land, so there's no other place they can be, than among other population. Any armed group in Gaza will have to live among the population. > its best the citizen population that can move away to the south do that How so? If people concentrate in one place, they'll just be easier to kill. They'll not even have their house to cover them from shrapnel and bombs, because a lot of people will be forced to stay in streets if Israel has its way and forces 1 mil. of people south. And Israel will not stop the bombings in the south, either.
    - tzs 3y ago
      > Any armed group in Gaza will have to live among the population. Look at an aerial or satellite map of Gaza. There are plenty of places that all of the Hamas fighters and officials could be that would not be near civilians.
    - nradov 3y ago
      Hamas doesn't need to continue being an armed terrorist group. They can lay down their arms and stop killing people. For an example, consider the Irish Republican Army. They (mostly) transitioned from being a terrorist group to participating in legitimate political parties as part of a multiparty democracy. And that produced much better results for their cause than terrorism ever did.
    - 3y ago

11 points by jbegley 3y ago

Most of article is pay walled.

to evacuate past gaza river in next 24h. it means ground operation at south of gaza strip to find tunnels/rocket launchers/weapon caches/etc.

tguvot 3y ago
actually looks like israel never said "24h". and it did define evacuation routes

megous 3y ago

After indiscriminate targetting of civilian population by Israel, this looks like another war crime: forced displacement. And on an absolutely unimaginable scale at that. People will lose everything, population in the south will double in concentration, with no infrastructure to serve the >1 milion of persons that Israel is forcing there and this is just murderous on people who can't move at all. How are they supposed to all (1 mil.+ people) move many without gas/cars/.../with lots of roads bombed, in such a short time, over such a long distance? Unconscionable attrocity, this is.

0xDEF 3y ago
They are being asked to move 15 km.
- megous 3y ago
  They are not being "asked".
  - weatherlite 3y ago
    No you're right lets all wait for a referendum on that.
    - megous 3y ago
      You make no sense.
- hackerlight 3y ago
  With oil blockaded, meaning many have to walk, no water supply, no electricity for communications, and 1 million people in a dense area. That is not a good faith request. It is a request designed to give an excuse for what's to come.
raxxorraxor 3y ago
Well, Israel will be accused of war crimes and genocide if they defend themselves or not. > How are they supposed to all (1 mil.+ people) move many without gas/cars/.../with lots of roads bombed, in such a short time, over such a long distance? Release the hostages, don't fire rockets at Israel.
- megous 3y ago
  > Release the hostages, don't fire rockets at Israel. How do you know that will stop anything of Isreal's plans? They woved vengeance, not "an operation to recover hostages".
  - nradov 3y ago
    There are no guarantees, but Israel has generally been willing to negotiate with terrorists in the past. Hypothetically if Hamas were to offer an unconditional surrender including release of all hostages, destruction of weapons, and extradition of the murderers who perpetrated the recent massacre in exchange for Israel cancelling the ground invasion and lifting the siege then I'm pretty sure that Israel would take that deal.
weatherlite 3y ago
Since Hamas is deliberately hiding inside the citizen population (and threatening the population not to leave), its best the citizen population that can move away to the south do that. Btw there are quite a few temporarily displaced Israelis - either people whose community was shattered by the killing rampage or people who are traumatized by the constant missile sirens and running for shelter. Impossible to come by numbers but wouldn't surprise me if its in the hundred thousands.
- megous 3y ago
  > Since Hamas is deliberately hiding inside the citizen population And where should Hamas be? Hamas is a government of Gaza. They are part of the citizenry. It's not some third party entity. Entirety of Gaza is either populated, or consists of small areas of agricultural land, so there's no other place they can be, than among other population. Any armed group in Gaza will have to live among the population. > its best the citizen population that can move away to the south do that How so? If people concentrate in one place, they'll just be easier to kill. They'll not even have their house to cover them from shrapnel and bombs, because a lot of people will be forced to stay in streets if Israel has its way and forces 1 mil. of people south. And Israel will not stop the bombings in the south, either.
  - tzs 3y ago
    > Any armed group in Gaza will have to live among the population. Look at an aerial or satellite map of Gaza. There are plenty of places that all of the Hamas fighters and officials could be that would not be near civilians.
  - nradov 3y ago
    Hamas doesn't need to continue being an armed terrorist group. They can lay down their arms and stop killing people. For an example, consider the Irish Republican Army. They (mostly) transitioned from being a terrorist group to participating in legitimate political parties as part of a multiparty democracy. And that produced much better results for their cause than terrorism ever did.
  - 3y ago