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The difference is that these 3 companies already have a market, Apple doesn't even bother trying to convince people to get games on the platform, other than iOS

The difference is that these 3 companies already have a market, Apple doesn't even bother trying to convince people to get games on the platform, other than iOS. I don't think they care about gaming on macs at all.

WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago
You are just spreading FUD at this point, they do care, devs just don't want to bother, that's different https://developer.apple.com/games/ https://developer.apple.com/games/
- millzlane 3y ago
  I just checked out their forum and I can only wonder why. There seem to be multiple cries for help from devs with no comments.
  - Spivak 3y ago
    Have you checked the developer forums for any product made by a large company? I promise you they're they exact same. There are plenty of reasons to not support macOS for your game, but this one isn't it.
    - millzlane 3y ago
      I just meant, that if the process to get help isn't helpful. A lot of new comers won't try.
  - WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago
    Making games is already difficult, nobody wants to do extra mile to support a platform, Valve made the right choice with proton, unfortunately, that means less incentives to have a native gaming experience on Linux.. I'd say the tradeoff is worth it Apple should do something similar, but they'll never do since their users expect quality over anything else, wich is why they market Game Porting Toolkit as a testing platform, as opposed to a shipping platform for Valve's Proton, even thought it's basically the same project, 2 different culture, Valve doesn't care if the experience is worse
CharlesW 3y ago
> Apple doesn't even bother trying to convince people to get games on the platform… Don't they? https://developer.apple.com/wwdc23/topics/graphics-games/ https://developer.apple.com/wwdc23/topics/graphics-games/ > …other than iOS. macOS on Apple Silicon supports iOS apps/games, so many "iOS" games work great on macOS.
- lawlessone 3y ago
  That's great if you want to play phone games on your mac.
  - hulitu 3y ago
    I bet candy crush looks great on a 27" retina display. /s
  - CharlesW 3y ago
    As well as games that work great on tablets, TVs, and HMDs as well, yes.
    - Macha 3y ago
      Honestly doubt your average touch optimised iPhone game works "great" on TVs.
- refulgentis 3y ago
  I've been deeply coupled to Apple since 2005 and it's safe to say they've made stabbing attempts at getting serious about this a dozen times, real serious ones too, but inevitably it doesn't matter. The most recent one that comes to mind is Mac x VR marketing push...4 years back? Ended it complete tears, SteamVR isn't even available for Mac anymore. And it was depressingly obvious at the time there was no reason for it to work out, it was clear ARM Macs were coming very soon.
  - clhodapp 3y ago
    The fact that they view a stabbing attempt as a step toward being serious seems like a big part of the issue. In order to have a successful platform, you need to be dedicated to the idea of being a platform and continue pouring in the resources whether it feels like it's aligned with this quarter's business themes or not.
lawlessone 3y ago
It allows them avoid being compared to PC's . They don't have worry about someone saying the Mac sucks for playing game X... because nobody will even try. It bolsters their image that they're not just another PC.
Angostura 3y ago
> Apple doesn't even bother trying to convince people to get games on the platform Presumably why Sonoma introduced a 'gaming mode' for the first time. https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT213658 https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT213658
- willtemperley 3y ago
  This is also probably why they have built a suite of tools to encourage game developers to the platform: https://developer.apple.com/games/ https://developer.apple.com/games/

WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago

You are just spreading FUD at this point, they do care, devs just don't want to bother, that's different https://developer.apple.com/games/ https://developer.apple.com/games/

millzlane 3y ago
I just checked out their forum and I can only wonder why. There seem to be multiple cries for help from devs with no comments.
- Spivak 3y ago
  Have you checked the developer forums for any product made by a large company? I promise you they're they exact same. There are plenty of reasons to not support macOS for your game, but this one isn't it.
  - millzlane 3y ago
    I just meant, that if the process to get help isn't helpful. A lot of new comers won't try.
- WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago
  Making games is already difficult, nobody wants to do extra mile to support a platform, Valve made the right choice with proton, unfortunately, that means less incentives to have a native gaming experience on Linux.. I'd say the tradeoff is worth it Apple should do something similar, but they'll never do since their users expect quality over anything else, wich is why they market Game Porting Toolkit as a testing platform, as opposed to a shipping platform for Valve's Proton, even thought it's basically the same project, 2 different culture, Valve doesn't care if the experience is worse

CharlesW 3y ago

> Apple doesn't even bother trying to convince people to get games on the platform… Don't they? https://developer.apple.com/wwdc23/topics/graphics-games/ https://developer.apple.com/wwdc23/topics/graphics-games/ > …other than iOS. macOS on Apple Silicon supports iOS apps/games, so many "iOS" games work great on macOS.

lawlessone 3y ago
That's great if you want to play phone games on your mac.
- hulitu 3y ago
  I bet candy crush looks great on a 27" retina display. /s
- CharlesW 3y ago
  As well as games that work great on tablets, TVs, and HMDs as well, yes.
  - Macha 3y ago
    Honestly doubt your average touch optimised iPhone game works "great" on TVs.
refulgentis 3y ago
I've been deeply coupled to Apple since 2005 and it's safe to say they've made stabbing attempts at getting serious about this a dozen times, real serious ones too, but inevitably it doesn't matter. The most recent one that comes to mind is Mac x VR marketing push...4 years back? Ended it complete tears, SteamVR isn't even available for Mac anymore. And it was depressingly obvious at the time there was no reason for it to work out, it was clear ARM Macs were coming very soon.
- clhodapp 3y ago
  The fact that they view a stabbing attempt as a step toward being serious seems like a big part of the issue. In order to have a successful platform, you need to be dedicated to the idea of being a platform and continue pouring in the resources whether it feels like it's aligned with this quarter's business themes or not.

lawlessone 3y ago

It allows them avoid being compared to PC's . They don't have worry about someone saying the Mac sucks for playing game X... because nobody will even try. It bolsters their image that they're not just another PC.

Angostura 3y ago

> Apple doesn't even bother trying to convince people to get games on the platform Presumably why Sonoma introduced a 'gaming mode' for the first time. https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT213658 https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT213658

willtemperley 3y ago
This is also probably why they have built a suite of tools to encourage game developers to the platform: https://developer.apple.com/games/ https://developer.apple.com/games/