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Sure, I’ll spill the beans. Some people think it’s related to Gaza or Ukraine but it’s not. We just really don’t like Google, we are trying to shut it down so w
by dudeinjapan 3y ago
Sure, I’ll spill the beans. Some people think it’s related to Gaza or Ukraine but it’s not. We just really don’t like Google, we are trying to shut it down so we can bring back Altavista.
- mortallywounded 3y agoSounds like something those dogpile folks would do.
- falcor84 3y agoMade me wonder - if Google wasn't there and Altavista was the incumbent, would it be any different, or was the enshittification of search inevitable?
- kps 3y agoAltavista started turning to shit as soon as it was no longer an Alpha demo. That was a major reason Google took off so quickly.
- dudeinjapan 3y agoWas at Tokyo Disneyland today and taught my girlfriend the word “enshittification”. (i.e. making your customers pay via your stupid app to do literally anything in your park, and not even providing wi-fi.)
- seanmcdirmid 3y agoI don’t remember paying for anything at Disney Sea with the app except for a few fast passes (and used to schedule the free fast passes of course). Suica card and credit card worked for everything else.
- _23sd 3y agoThat's not enshittification, squeezing money out of you is just how theme parks operate. The term can't really apply to Disney parks at all because there's no two sided market.
- Grazester 3y agoYou missed the no WiFi part. At least enable customers to send their money!
- _23sd 3y agoThat’s shitty, but if that’s all enshittification means then it’s ten extra letters for nothing. Disneyland is not a “platform”, it doesn’t go through the enshittification process.
- wddkcs 3y agoArguably everything driven by capitalism is geared towards enshitification. Maximum extraction for minimal effort is a hard paradigm to beat
- ilyt 3y agoSo you taught her wrong, that's not what it means...
- Ylpertnodi 3y agoThat's double-dipping?
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- dang 3y agoSince we just asked you to stop doing this and you just did it again, I've banned the account. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37817068 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37817068 Not cool. And it's not as if you've lacked for warnings: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37202760 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37202760 (Aug 2023) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35558080 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35558080 (April 2023) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29923717 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29923717 (Jan 2022) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29123203 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29123203 (Nov 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27216698 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27216698 (May 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26440096 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26440096 (March 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24562304 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24562304 (Sept 2020) https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- seanmcdirmid 3y agoThere is a reason Google’s first office was right next door to DEC WRL and Alta Vista. There is so much cross contamination between the two that it’s impossible to say.
- nordsieck 3y ago> if Google wasn't there and Altavista was the incumbent, would it be any different, or was the enshittification of search inevitable? You might not remember this, but before Google, paid search placement was par for the course. One of Google's innovations, one of the things that really endeared it to users was clearly labeling their ads. So, yes - it was inevitable. And, in fact, Google probably staved it off at least a decade; maybe more.
- Frost1x 3y ago>... or was the enshittification of search inevitable? My bet is on the latter. Enshitification is a direct product of greed. No crafts person or creator I know of goes into something they enjoy creating with the intent to make it this monstrosity of money extraction. Most creators have a drive for their creation to be shared and experienced by many. Yes, you may want to get a reward in the process and for some creators, their motives may change over time if they see an opportunity to turn their creation into a wealth machine for themselves so they can do whatever after. Enshitification I believe is a secondary effect of something that becomes successful for the owners of something and either they or others change motives towards value. Optimization is no longer about the creation, sharing, experience, humanitarian, whatever motive and shifts to money. The second that becomes the goal, enshitication is just part of the optimization journey. In my line of thinking, it's the same reason monopolies or near monopolies tend to form, these are merely further states along optimization strategies in the monetary/wealth extraction goal. Part of that process is that when something starts to succeed, it attracts people with these goals so the goal of something shifts pretty rapidly.
- andrei_says_ 3y agoThis is beautifully written, thank you. As a creator, my money ambitions fit between “does this thing provide enough value to pay for itself” and “could this provide enough value to pay for my needs”. The drive to create the thing comes from sincere enthusiasm + excitement that simply don’t leave me alone. Shifting the thing’s purpose from the original one that filled me with enthusiasm to the purpose of simply extracting money, corrupts its original purpose. I call this corruption. it is my observation that one kind of people create, and another kind of people corrupt. Unfortunately the economic system we have accepted as normal, leans toward corruption and extraction.
- wmeredith 3y agoI'd say enshittification is inevitable. It isn't a technology issue, it's human issue. Imagination and desire are what brought us this far and also what holds us back. See also: the tragedy of the commons, the prisoner's dilemma, the trolley problem, etc.
- lock-the-spock 3y agoAs someone old enough to remember: one of the main reasons Google won was that the other engines (shedding here a tear for Lycos) simply couldnt handle the increasing amount of web spam. They were built in a trusted web environment, but suddenly things became cheap enough for less scrupulous people to start creating effectively spam sites, and the engines somehow didn't manage to react in time.
- toast0 3y agoBefore Google, new search engines became crappy after 6-12 months, maybe two years tops. It's not surprising Google search is now crap, it's what happened to all the old search engines. It's only surprising that it took 15-20 years (depending on perspective), and in the mean time, they've developed a big ecosystem of other stuff.
- kps 3y agoI miss boolean search operators.
- c7DJTLrn 3y agoI think the plan went horribly wrong, everybody started using Bing again!
- anjel 3y agoBing aka DDG as if...