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Mandated USB-C was good, swappable batteries that's coming in a few years as well. GDPR was mostly useless and the only real consequence is more cookie banners

Mandated USB-C was good, swappable batteries that's coming in a few years as well. GDPR was mostly useless and the only real consequence is more cookie banners that people accept as a knee jerk reaction and a lot of money that went to lawyers and "consultants" which helped smaller businesses get "GDPR ready". Chat control is not really tech regulation though, even if it affects tech the proposal is written by people who have no idea what the fuck they are doing. Ylva Johansson (The MEP responsible for it) has even said straight out she has no idea if or how this should be complied with but "They will figure it out" (They being tech companies). With people like that deciding our laws of course you end up with shit like this.

lazycouchpotato 3y ago
> GDPR was mostly useless I would disagree with that. I like being able to download a copy of all my data from all these big websites. Since I no longer use Twitter/X, it's nice to have a copy of everything I have posted there.
- AnthonyMouse 3y ago
  They had that before the GDPR.
  - Moldoteck 3y ago
    Yes, but now with gdpr it's enforceable, what if twit decides to stop providing that data?
    - cccbbbaaa 3y ago
      It was enforceable before too, thanks to the Data Protection Directive from 1995. GDPR is an harmonization of the various national transcriptions of the DPD, plus higher fines, a better cooperation mechanism, and data portability (which is a bit useless but it's nice to have). Cookie banners also predate GDPR (it was the ePrivacy directive).
    - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
      > Yes, but now with gdpr it's enforceable, what if twit decides to stop providing that data? Why would you want a law with high compliance costs to solve a problem that was already solved? It makes no sense to impose the costs unless the thing it purports to solve actually presents as a problem.
  - Martinussen 3y ago
    As someone that worked in an EEA tech company when the GDPR was actually being implemented, it absolutely did a ton for improving how much focus there was on privacy and PII security. That has seemed to be true for the places I've worked since too, from what I've heard. Most companies still have no good process for data deletion or export, and I am fairly convinced it would be even more dire if people hadn't started preparing for the GDPR years ahead.
xvector 3y ago
Mandated USB-C disincentives ever improving on the connector. The EU attempted to enforce a similar mandate for micro-USB back in the day - can you imagine if they succeeded? Fortunately, we got Lightning and USB-C thereafter, but improvement is always possible. Product design doesn't need to be written into law.
- dzikimarian 3y ago
  >Mandated USB-C disincentives ever improving on the connector. Please stop repeating that argument, it's not true. There's periodic review proces built in into this legislation. >attempted to enforce a similar mandate for micro-USB back in the day - can you imagine if they succeeded? That would be great. Probably Apple would transition to the USB-C a few years ago with everyone instead current nonsense.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    Yes just imagine how long that’s going to take…
    - dzikimarian 3y ago
      Again commonly repeated FUD. Lightning originated when there was a talk about mandating micro-USB and finally died, after 11 years, when USB-C was mandated. If not for that legislation it would still be alive. It's actually faster that way.
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        I keep forgetting how dynamic the EU tech industry is and the great companies that have come out of it because of the wisdom of European legislation.
      - mardifoufs 3y ago
        Not remotely the same for micro usb. It wasn't the same law. Now it will be a chicken and egg problem. No one will want to put a new connector in phones, because they'd need usb c too anyways. So no new standard will emerge with wide enough industry support. If the micro usb "mandate" was as binding and restrictive as this one, we would not have had usb c.
isodev 3y ago
> GDPR was mostly useless Not at all, I think it achieved exactly what it was designed to do. The part where we blindly accept cookie banners without holding companies accountable for doing so much tracking (or put them in place without questioning if they're needed) is totally on us. GDPR did give us the tools and the means, we just don't take full advantage of them.

lazycouchpotato 3y ago

> GDPR was mostly useless I would disagree with that. I like being able to download a copy of all my data from all these big websites. Since I no longer use Twitter/X, it's nice to have a copy of everything I have posted there.

AnthonyMouse 3y ago
They had that before the GDPR.
- Moldoteck 3y ago
  Yes, but now with gdpr it's enforceable, what if twit decides to stop providing that data?
  - cccbbbaaa 3y ago
    It was enforceable before too, thanks to the Data Protection Directive from 1995. GDPR is an harmonization of the various national transcriptions of the DPD, plus higher fines, a better cooperation mechanism, and data portability (which is a bit useless but it's nice to have). Cookie banners also predate GDPR (it was the ePrivacy directive).
  - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
    > Yes, but now with gdpr it's enforceable, what if twit decides to stop providing that data? Why would you want a law with high compliance costs to solve a problem that was already solved? It makes no sense to impose the costs unless the thing it purports to solve actually presents as a problem.
- Martinussen 3y ago
  As someone that worked in an EEA tech company when the GDPR was actually being implemented, it absolutely did a ton for improving how much focus there was on privacy and PII security. That has seemed to be true for the places I've worked since too, from what I've heard. Most companies still have no good process for data deletion or export, and I am fairly convinced it would be even more dire if people hadn't started preparing for the GDPR years ahead.

xvector 3y ago

Mandated USB-C disincentives ever improving on the connector. The EU attempted to enforce a similar mandate for micro-USB back in the day - can you imagine if they succeeded? Fortunately, we got Lightning and USB-C thereafter, but improvement is always possible. Product design doesn't need to be written into law.

dzikimarian 3y ago
>Mandated USB-C disincentives ever improving on the connector. Please stop repeating that argument, it's not true. There's periodic review proces built in into this legislation. >attempted to enforce a similar mandate for micro-USB back in the day - can you imagine if they succeeded? That would be great. Probably Apple would transition to the USB-C a few years ago with everyone instead current nonsense.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  Yes just imagine how long that’s going to take…
  - dzikimarian 3y ago
    Again commonly repeated FUD. Lightning originated when there was a talk about mandating micro-USB and finally died, after 11 years, when USB-C was mandated. If not for that legislation it would still be alive. It's actually faster that way.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      I keep forgetting how dynamic the EU tech industry is and the great companies that have come out of it because of the wisdom of European legislation.
    - mardifoufs 3y ago
      Not remotely the same for micro usb. It wasn't the same law. Now it will be a chicken and egg problem. No one will want to put a new connector in phones, because they'd need usb c too anyways. So no new standard will emerge with wide enough industry support. If the micro usb "mandate" was as binding and restrictive as this one, we would not have had usb c.

isodev 3y ago

> GDPR was mostly useless Not at all, I think it achieved exactly what it was designed to do. The part where we blindly accept cookie banners without holding companies accountable for doing so much tracking (or put them in place without questioning if they're needed) is totally on us. GDPR did give us the tools and the means, we just don't take full advantage of them.