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I’m too European to get that. Would you not like a DC light socket standard? It’s quite the waste to have AC to DC happen in every light bulb.

lostlogin 3y ago
Poe might be an option. It would also reduce the amount of crappy devices taking up WiFi bandwidth. It would be a pain to retro fit though.
- watermelon0 3y ago
  AFAIK lightning solutions using PoE already exist in commercial space. For general use, I'd assume that PoE hardware/software is a bit too expensive, but maybe we can have similarly priced bulbs/lightstrips than Philips Hue.
- SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
  Eh... not a great fit. POE++ Super Extra is 100W per port. Figure a dumb 75W-equivilent is like 10-14W. You get maybe 8 bulbs per run assuming everything is exactly as rated. But specifying doesn't work like that. You won't know if someone will plug in 24W bulbs. You need to plan sockets for the most someone could use. If you wanted DC retrofit, you would be better of doing it at the light switch and just using the same wiring and sockets.
SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
California government is large, and exceeds past the role of government in other states. They pushed for all new construction to require a GU24 bulb socket because it would "mean" high efficiency. It was a massive failure with practically the only market in the world for the GU24 connector in CA. Now, they rolled it back so you are still required to use high efficiency bulbs but the connector isn't important anymore. No concern that of all the GU24 fixtures that will need to be replaced and sent to landfill. The comment is Anthony Adams here in this meme [0] is California looking to adopt a new socket because past is prologue. https://preview.redd.it/e4t802ztnqb31.png?width=1024&auto=webp&s=d22a94213d9adf10376a58281a7bef87d6d16a0c https://preview.redd.it/e4t802ztnqb31.png?width=1024&auto=we... GU24 update: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/update-california-title-24-future-gu24-socket-rob-bruck https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/update-california-title-24-fu...
- pbhjpbhj 3y ago
  Converters for GU24 to use E26 (Ikea standard!) are $1 retail. Doesn't seem like you need to throw them all away? >No concern that of all the GU24 fixtures that will need to be replaced and sent to landfill. // Do you believe that legislatures weren't trying their best, it's not easy to make economical decisions when powerful profit seekers are trying to undermine you at every turn. Maybe they erred, I'm not sure it's as obviously wrong as you imagine. Who hasn't backed the wrong standard at some point?
  - SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
    >Do you believe that legislatures weren't trying their best, That is an interesting defense of ineffective bureaucracy. "It's OK they stepped into an area they had no idea about, made command decisions that limited customer choice, because you can just buy some Made in China adapters!" Well, that's an opinion. "This very kindness stings with intolerable insult" CL Lewis. I encourage you to go read the whole thing. https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/526469-of-all-tyrannies-a-tyranny-sincerely-exercised-for-the-good https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/526469-of-all-tyrannies-a-t...
  - ThunderSizzle 3y ago
    > Do you believe that legislatures weren't trying their best, Common sense would dictate that legislatures can't "try their best". It's a collection of people that have vastly different motives and reasons for being there. They aren't a team with a common vision and a common goal (e.g. win the game through a series of plays they've already practiced), even if they are in the same political party. Neither party is a monolith, whether on the state or national level. Everyone has different priorities, concerns, and opinions on different topics, regardless whether they have a D, R or I. Sadly, it's a feature of the legislative process. It's designed to destroy special interests and require vast support to get things done. Sadly support no longer means votes as much as money.

lostlogin 3y ago

Poe might be an option. It would also reduce the amount of crappy devices taking up WiFi bandwidth. It would be a pain to retro fit though.

watermelon0 3y ago
AFAIK lightning solutions using PoE already exist in commercial space. For general use, I'd assume that PoE hardware/software is a bit too expensive, but maybe we can have similarly priced bulbs/lightstrips than Philips Hue.
SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
Eh... not a great fit. POE++ Super Extra is 100W per port. Figure a dumb 75W-equivilent is like 10-14W. You get maybe 8 bulbs per run assuming everything is exactly as rated. But specifying doesn't work like that. You won't know if someone will plug in 24W bulbs. You need to plan sockets for the most someone could use. If you wanted DC retrofit, you would be better of doing it at the light switch and just using the same wiring and sockets.

SV_BubbleTime 3y ago

California government is large, and exceeds past the role of government in other states. They pushed for all new construction to require a GU24 bulb socket because it would "mean" high efficiency. It was a massive failure with practically the only market in the world for the GU24 connector in CA. Now, they rolled it back so you are still required to use high efficiency bulbs but the connector isn't important anymore. No concern that of all the GU24 fixtures that will need to be replaced and sent to landfill. The comment is Anthony Adams here in this meme [0] is California looking to adopt a new socket because past is prologue. https://preview.redd.it/e4t802ztnqb31.png?width=1024&auto=webp&s=d22a94213d9adf10376a58281a7bef87d6d16a0c https://preview.redd.it/e4t802ztnqb31.png?width=1024&auto=we... GU24 update: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/update-california-title-24-future-gu24-socket-rob-bruck https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/update-california-title-24-fu...

pbhjpbhj 3y ago
Converters for GU24 to use E26 (Ikea standard!) are $1 retail. Doesn't seem like you need to throw them all away? >No concern that of all the GU24 fixtures that will need to be replaced and sent to landfill. // Do you believe that legislatures weren't trying their best, it's not easy to make economical decisions when powerful profit seekers are trying to undermine you at every turn. Maybe they erred, I'm not sure it's as obviously wrong as you imagine. Who hasn't backed the wrong standard at some point?
- SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
  >Do you believe that legislatures weren't trying their best, That is an interesting defense of ineffective bureaucracy. "It's OK they stepped into an area they had no idea about, made command decisions that limited customer choice, because you can just buy some Made in China adapters!" Well, that's an opinion. "This very kindness stings with intolerable insult" CL Lewis. I encourage you to go read the whole thing. https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/526469-of-all-tyrannies-a-tyranny-sincerely-exercised-for-the-good https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/526469-of-all-tyrannies-a-t...
- ThunderSizzle 3y ago
  > Do you believe that legislatures weren't trying their best, Common sense would dictate that legislatures can't "try their best". It's a collection of people that have vastly different motives and reasons for being there. They aren't a team with a common vision and a common goal (e.g. win the game through a series of plays they've already practiced), even if they are in the same political party. Neither party is a monolith, whether on the state or national level. Everyone has different priorities, concerns, and opinions on different topics, regardless whether they have a D, R or I. Sadly, it's a feature of the legislative process. It's designed to destroy special interests and require vast support to get things done. Sadly support no longer means votes as much as money.