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I was surprised to see this was free. On top of that, with an impressive feature set for an initial release. Considering Blackmagic’s reputation, this will easi

I was surprised to see this was free. On top of that, with an impressive feature set for an initial release. Considering Blackmagic’s reputation, this will easily beat any other half-baked camera apps or paid apps in no time. This is awesome for film school students. Already recommended it to a few of my friends who are into film.

sneak 3y ago
Free or not free, I am surprised to see that this includes absolutely no phone-home of any kind. “Data not collected.” Kudos to Blackmagic. (Resolve can also work 100% offline, with the license dongle, and is buy-once, not subscriptionware like Premiere. I am a very happy Blackmagic customer.)
- pdpi 3y ago
  The thing that most impresses me about Blackmagick is how they seem to scale with you from tiny projects to pretty big stuff. From the ATEM Mini all the way to big consoles, from the pocket cameras up to the Ursa etc. This just looks like it’ll drop the low end of that range even lower.
- strogonoff 3y ago
  Blackmagic’s reputation took a major hit after their infamous CinemaDNG bait-and-switch. They made true interoperable raw video format a selling point of their BMPCC lineup, only to irreversibly cripple units later by removing CinemaDNG support after the fact. This dramatically narrowed toolchain options (mostly to Blackmagic’s own software suite), effectively making cameras useless for enthusiast FOSS videographers. Furthermore, the hush-hush way they pulled it off using a firmware update says something about their ethical standards, so as a rule I’m not using their products anymore. The fact that they offer a cheap software product of their own (even with a free version) in no way justifies removing features (especially support for an open format with a thriving FOSS ecosystem) in a camera that they already sold.
  - dannyw 3y ago
    Edit: The CEO confirmed it was due to patent infringement claims by Nikon: https://ymcinema.com/2019/03/19/the-obsolescence-of-cinemadng-from-digital-negative-to-blackmagic-raw/ https://ymcinema.com/2019/03/19/the-obsolescence-of-cinemadn... It's not clear if this was a choice. RED has a patent on in-camera loseless RAW that is compressed, and have been aggressively going after other camera makers (including Nikon) for offering the feature. To my knowledge, Nikon and RED are the only brands that offer in-camera compressed loseless RAW, and Nikon settled with RED [1]. BRAW is okay as it is lossy (not loseless). Other RAW formats from brands in video are not compressed in-camera. [1]: https://www.newsshooter.com/2023/04/28/red-patent-lawsuit-against-nikon-dismissed/ https://www.newsshooter.com/2023/04/28/red-patent-lawsuit-ag...
    - strogonoff 3y ago
      > in-camera loseless RAW that is compressed CinemaDNG doesn’t have to be compressed. > BRAW is okay as it is lossy (not loseless). BM chose to go not from compressed CDNG to uncompressed CDNG, but from compressed CDNG to no CDNG at all. This is a significant reduction in processing pipeline options for those using open-source or truly free raw photography software in their work. > The CEO confirmed it was due to patent infringement claims by Nikon Assuming that’s true, what they have done is they made their customers pay for their legal snafu. Perhaps it’s legal in your jurisdiction to sell a product advertising a specific feature and then remove that feature post-fact (in hardware people already own!), but it’s certainly not a great look. Based on their course of action and their (almost nonexistent) communication on this issue, it’s very difficult to have any sympathy towards the company.
      - indymike 3y ago
        > Perhaps it’s legal in your jurisdiction to sell a product advertising a specific feature and then remove that feature post-fact (in hardware people already own!), but it’s certainly not a great look. This is the downside to patents and patent infringement. It happened with Google home speakers and Sonos, where I used to be able to tell google to play a song "whole home" and now I cannot do that any longer. I think this might be a bit of a new normal, and I'm sure this is allowed by the license agreement to ensure that patent infringements are not death sentences.
- silent_cal 3y ago
  Hope they get compensated for their generosity
- user3939382 3y ago
  “No data collected” is the tag I want to see on the app store next to the one that tells you if there are in-app purchases.
  - Willamin 3y ago
    This is present in the App Store. It's not a short line-item similar to in-app puchase presence, instead it's a full-width card that indicates details on what information is collected. https://developer.apple.com/app-store/app-privacy-details/ https://developer.apple.com/app-store/app-privacy-details/ The only caveat is that it's developer-published information that Apple doesn't verify.
    - rollcat 3y ago
      > The only caveat is that it's developer-published information that Apple doesn't verify. Well you can guess what would happen if you get caught lying or cheating. Apple didn't hesitate to remove Epic's or Facebook's apps in the past.
    - user3939382 3y ago
      Better yet, let’s have a prominent app category called “No data collected”. This is what I really want from every program I use including desktop. Major letdown from Mozilla on this front contrary to their marketing.
- dylan604 3y ago
  If you buy a BMD camera, you get a free license for the full version of Resolve.
dharma1 3y ago
Blackmagic are awesome, run by a fantastic founder-CEO. They give a bunch of software away for free (Resolve basic version) - I guess enough of it converts to users of their paid stuff like the hardware and Blackmagic Cloud and Resolve Studio. Been a user of their hardware and software for years, nothing but good things to say about it.
- _joel 3y ago
  Same, it's even used in large public UK broadcasters as it's good gear.
- jorvi 3y ago
  It’s not just the direct conversion. If every little kid trying to edit game clips or home movies does so in Davinci Resolve because it’s easier and safer than cracking Premiere or Final Cut, it eventually becomes cheaper for companies to also use Resolve, rather than retrain people. For the same reason, Microsoft never really aggressively curtailed Windows piracy. Better to have a pirated user demanding Windows at the workplace than a user demanding macOS.
  - internetter 3y ago
    My take as well. Why not make windows free if it’s trivial to pirate already? Well, because you aren’t the target consumer.. not yet, anyway
    - CamperBob2 3y ago
      You're the target consumer, all right, but you're not the customer.
meatjuice 3y ago
It's not just free to install, basically everything is free except for cloud service they provide.
qingcharles 3y ago
It's designed as a loss leader for their other products. Most notably their cloud storage.
- javchz 3y ago
  You're right. And I think a side effect it's being gateway product for their hardware software ecosystem like their PCI cards, color correction surfaces and cameras.

sneak 3y ago

Free or not free, I am surprised to see that this includes absolutely no phone-home of any kind. “Data not collected.” Kudos to Blackmagic. (Resolve can also work 100% offline, with the license dongle, and is buy-once, not subscriptionware like Premiere. I am a very happy Blackmagic customer.)

pdpi 3y ago
The thing that most impresses me about Blackmagick is how they seem to scale with you from tiny projects to pretty big stuff. From the ATEM Mini all the way to big consoles, from the pocket cameras up to the Ursa etc. This just looks like it’ll drop the low end of that range even lower.
strogonoff 3y ago
Blackmagic’s reputation took a major hit after their infamous CinemaDNG bait-and-switch. They made true interoperable raw video format a selling point of their BMPCC lineup, only to irreversibly cripple units later by removing CinemaDNG support after the fact. This dramatically narrowed toolchain options (mostly to Blackmagic’s own software suite), effectively making cameras useless for enthusiast FOSS videographers. Furthermore, the hush-hush way they pulled it off using a firmware update says something about their ethical standards, so as a rule I’m not using their products anymore. The fact that they offer a cheap software product of their own (even with a free version) in no way justifies removing features (especially support for an open format with a thriving FOSS ecosystem) in a camera that they already sold.
- dannyw 3y ago
  Edit: The CEO confirmed it was due to patent infringement claims by Nikon: https://ymcinema.com/2019/03/19/the-obsolescence-of-cinemadng-from-digital-negative-to-blackmagic-raw/ https://ymcinema.com/2019/03/19/the-obsolescence-of-cinemadn... It's not clear if this was a choice. RED has a patent on in-camera loseless RAW that is compressed, and have been aggressively going after other camera makers (including Nikon) for offering the feature. To my knowledge, Nikon and RED are the only brands that offer in-camera compressed loseless RAW, and Nikon settled with RED [1]. BRAW is okay as it is lossy (not loseless). Other RAW formats from brands in video are not compressed in-camera. [1]: https://www.newsshooter.com/2023/04/28/red-patent-lawsuit-against-nikon-dismissed/ https://www.newsshooter.com/2023/04/28/red-patent-lawsuit-ag...
  - strogonoff 3y ago
    > in-camera loseless RAW that is compressed CinemaDNG doesn’t have to be compressed. > BRAW is okay as it is lossy (not loseless). BM chose to go not from compressed CDNG to uncompressed CDNG, but from compressed CDNG to no CDNG at all. This is a significant reduction in processing pipeline options for those using open-source or truly free raw photography software in their work. > The CEO confirmed it was due to patent infringement claims by Nikon Assuming that’s true, what they have done is they made their customers pay for their legal snafu. Perhaps it’s legal in your jurisdiction to sell a product advertising a specific feature and then remove that feature post-fact (in hardware people already own!), but it’s certainly not a great look. Based on their course of action and their (almost nonexistent) communication on this issue, it’s very difficult to have any sympathy towards the company.
    - indymike 3y ago
      > Perhaps it’s legal in your jurisdiction to sell a product advertising a specific feature and then remove that feature post-fact (in hardware people already own!), but it’s certainly not a great look. This is the downside to patents and patent infringement. It happened with Google home speakers and Sonos, where I used to be able to tell google to play a song "whole home" and now I cannot do that any longer. I think this might be a bit of a new normal, and I'm sure this is allowed by the license agreement to ensure that patent infringements are not death sentences.
silent_cal 3y ago
Hope they get compensated for their generosity
user3939382 3y ago
“No data collected” is the tag I want to see on the app store next to the one that tells you if there are in-app purchases.
- Willamin 3y ago
  This is present in the App Store. It's not a short line-item similar to in-app puchase presence, instead it's a full-width card that indicates details on what information is collected. https://developer.apple.com/app-store/app-privacy-details/ https://developer.apple.com/app-store/app-privacy-details/ The only caveat is that it's developer-published information that Apple doesn't verify.
  - rollcat 3y ago
    > The only caveat is that it's developer-published information that Apple doesn't verify. Well you can guess what would happen if you get caught lying or cheating. Apple didn't hesitate to remove Epic's or Facebook's apps in the past.
  - user3939382 3y ago
    Better yet, let’s have a prominent app category called “No data collected”. This is what I really want from every program I use including desktop. Major letdown from Mozilla on this front contrary to their marketing.
dylan604 3y ago
If you buy a BMD camera, you get a free license for the full version of Resolve.

dharma1 3y ago

Blackmagic are awesome, run by a fantastic founder-CEO. They give a bunch of software away for free (Resolve basic version) - I guess enough of it converts to users of their paid stuff like the hardware and Blackmagic Cloud and Resolve Studio. Been a user of their hardware and software for years, nothing but good things to say about it.

_joel 3y ago
Same, it's even used in large public UK broadcasters as it's good gear.
jorvi 3y ago
It’s not just the direct conversion. If every little kid trying to edit game clips or home movies does so in Davinci Resolve because it’s easier and safer than cracking Premiere or Final Cut, it eventually becomes cheaper for companies to also use Resolve, rather than retrain people. For the same reason, Microsoft never really aggressively curtailed Windows piracy. Better to have a pirated user demanding Windows at the workplace than a user demanding macOS.
- internetter 3y ago
  My take as well. Why not make windows free if it’s trivial to pirate already? Well, because you aren’t the target consumer.. not yet, anyway
  - CamperBob2 3y ago
    You're the target consumer, all right, but you're not the customer.

meatjuice 3y ago

It's not just free to install, basically everything is free except for cloud service they provide.

qingcharles 3y ago

It's designed as a loss leader for their other products. Most notably their cloud storage.

javchz 3y ago
You're right. And I think a side effect it's being gateway product for their hardware software ecosystem like their PCI cards, color correction surfaces and cameras.