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We could learn from for example Japan where there is no cents and all fees included so 5000 Yen is 5000 yen no tip no tax no fees no cents it's really cortisol

by sfmike 3y ago

We could learn from for example Japan where there is no cents and all fees included so 5000 Yen is 5000 yen no tip no tax no fees no cents it's really cortisol reducing.

oefrha 3y ago
Welcome to most of the world.
_AzMoo 3y ago
Aside from the cents bit, it's like that in Australia too. If something (retail) says $30 then it's $30. If it says $30.95 then it's $30.95. It's very simple. When you're selling wholesale it's different because it's a sales tax, and that's paid by the consumer, not the retail business.
- jessriedel 3y ago
  Sales tax is paid by the consumer? The consumer mails in a check for the sales tax to the government?
  - sowbug 3y ago
    Sales tax is charged only once for a retail good, not for the sales of wholesale goods that led to the retail sale. Otherwise the store that sold you a thing would itself have also had to pay 10% on that thing, as would the factory that bought the raw materials to make the thing, etc.
    - jessriedel 3y ago
      I see, "sales tax only applies to consumer purchases" would have been clearer.
comex 3y ago
Caveat: 1 yen is worth about 1 cent USD.
- Washuu 3y ago
  1 cent is equal to 1.5 yen. The nice conversion of 1 cent equals 1 yen has been lone gone. :(
smt88 3y ago
Including taxes in the sticker price is bad. It allows the government to quietly increase taxes without people noticing. Sales taxes are in general regressive and harm lower-income people the most, so they should be visible and attributable to government.
- wolfendin 3y ago
  The price goes up on everything so I’m not sure how you think it’s without people noticing.
- jen20 3y ago
  So break them out on the receipt. I have no desire to learn what the tax rate is for X in any state at all (since I cannot vote to change it in any case), what I am interested in day-to-day is the all-in price of whatever I’m about to buy. Eliminating junk fees (looking at you, AT&T) is a net win for reducing cognitive load. The idea I should have to learn the tax rates of the multiple jurisdictions I may or may not be in just to serve your political views is fucking asinine.
- kelnos 3y ago
  > Including taxes in the sticker price is bad. It allows the government to quietly increase taxes without people noticing. Oh please. When taxes go up, people notice. In California, new taxes have to be approved directly by voters, even. If you choose not to be civically engaged enough to notice new taxes, that's your problem. This is the same dumb argument people use for not allowing the IRS to send us a pre-filled tax return. Instead, we flush billions of dollars a year down the toilet on tax prep.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > In California, new taxes have to be approved directly by voters Prop 218 [1] is unique to California. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_California_Proposition_218 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_California_Proposition_21...
- shortcake27 3y ago
ekianjo 3y ago
Yes but Japan also has hidden fees sometimes. Like in certain restaurants they serve you an appetizer that you dont ask for and charge you for it before the real order comes.
- lmm 3y ago
  That happened briefly for a couple of years, then it was made illegal, because we have governments that actually care about making things better for their people.
Washuu 3y ago
Tax is not always included in Japan in the shown price①. For example, the 100 yen stores the tax is separate so I know if I pick up five items I am paying 550 yen.(10% sales tax nationwide for almost everything.) ①However, by law the price tag is required to also show the with tax（税込） price if displaying the without tax price.
kelnos 3y ago
1 US cent = ~1.5 JPY. Putting the decimal point a couple digits over doesn't really change anything. If you really want to, you can tell people that you spent "100 cents" instead of "1 dollar". They'll probably look at you funny, though.
- autoexec 3y ago
  I'd be perfectly willing to tell people that I spent 100 cents as long as it meant that every time the listed price said 100 cents I could just pay with a single dollar. That'd be a huge change from what we have now, where the price says $0.97 and the cashier demands $1.06

by sfmike 3y ago

We could learn from for example Japan where there is no cents and all fees included so 5000 Yen is 5000 yen no tip no tax no fees no cents it's really cortisol reducing.

oefrha 3y ago

Welcome to most of the world.

_AzMoo 3y ago

Aside from the cents bit, it's like that in Australia too. If something (retail) says $30 then it's $30. If it says $30.95 then it's $30.95. It's very simple. When you're selling wholesale it's different because it's a sales tax, and that's paid by the consumer, not the retail business.

jessriedel 3y ago
Sales tax is paid by the consumer? The consumer mails in a check for the sales tax to the government?
- sowbug 3y ago
  Sales tax is charged only once for a retail good, not for the sales of wholesale goods that led to the retail sale. Otherwise the store that sold you a thing would itself have also had to pay 10% on that thing, as would the factory that bought the raw materials to make the thing, etc.
  - jessriedel 3y ago
    I see, "sales tax only applies to consumer purchases" would have been clearer.

comex 3y ago

Caveat: 1 yen is worth about 1 cent USD.

Washuu 3y ago
1 cent is equal to 1.5 yen. The nice conversion of 1 cent equals 1 yen has been lone gone. :(

smt88 3y ago

Including taxes in the sticker price is bad. It allows the government to quietly increase taxes without people noticing. Sales taxes are in general regressive and harm lower-income people the most, so they should be visible and attributable to government.

wolfendin 3y ago
The price goes up on everything so I’m not sure how you think it’s without people noticing.
jen20 3y ago
So break them out on the receipt. I have no desire to learn what the tax rate is for X in any state at all (since I cannot vote to change it in any case), what I am interested in day-to-day is the all-in price of whatever I’m about to buy. Eliminating junk fees (looking at you, AT&T) is a net win for reducing cognitive load. The idea I should have to learn the tax rates of the multiple jurisdictions I may or may not be in just to serve your political views is fucking asinine.
kelnos 3y ago
> Including taxes in the sticker price is bad. It allows the government to quietly increase taxes without people noticing. Oh please. When taxes go up, people notice. In California, new taxes have to be approved directly by voters, even. If you choose not to be civically engaged enough to notice new taxes, that's your problem. This is the same dumb argument people use for not allowing the IRS to send us a pre-filled tax return. Instead, we flush billions of dollars a year down the toilet on tax prep.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > In California, new taxes have to be approved directly by voters Prop 218 [1] is unique to California. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_California_Proposition_218 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_California_Proposition_21...
shortcake27 3y ago

ekianjo 3y ago

Yes but Japan also has hidden fees sometimes. Like in certain restaurants they serve you an appetizer that you dont ask for and charge you for it before the real order comes.

lmm 3y ago
That happened briefly for a couple of years, then it was made illegal, because we have governments that actually care about making things better for their people.

Washuu 3y ago

Tax is not always included in Japan in the shown price①. For example, the 100 yen stores the tax is separate so I know if I pick up five items I am paying 550 yen.(10% sales tax nationwide for almost everything.) ①However, by law the price tag is required to also show the with tax（税込） price if displaying the without tax price.

kelnos 3y ago

1 US cent = ~1.5 JPY. Putting the decimal point a couple digits over doesn't really change anything. If you really want to, you can tell people that you spent "100 cents" instead of "1 dollar". They'll probably look at you funny, though.

autoexec 3y ago
I'd be perfectly willing to tell people that I spent 100 cents as long as it meant that every time the listed price said 100 cents I could just pay with a single dollar. That'd be a huge change from what we have now, where the price says $0.97 and the cashier demands $1.06