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One must ask themselves why a REST testing tool has venture capital and needs to be closed source (despite their website proudly claiming "Open source"). I'll p

One must ask themselves why a REST testing tool has venture capital and needs to be closed source (despite their website proudly claiming "Open source"). I'll pass on installing this onto my computer.

yawnxyz 3y ago
Why doesn't Github have some kind of policy about projects pretending to be open source and effectively acting as an ad on Github?
- koito17 3y ago
  It would be a little funny that GitHub, a proprietary code hosting platform, suddenly cares that proprietary software uses it to host bug reports or other assets. This isn't the first project I've seen that is nothing more than a README and exists simply for people to file issues. e.g. there is https://github.com/cursive-ide/cursive https://github.com/cursive-ide/cursive With that said, Codeberg has a strict policy of hosting software licensed under an OSI or FSF approved license.[1] They will actually take down repositories that do not follow this guideline. [1] https://docs.codeberg.org/getting-started/faq/#can-i-host-software-and-resources-without-a-free-and-open-source-software-license%3F https://docs.codeberg.org/getting-started/faq/#can-i-host-so...
- jkbr 3y ago
  As the first paragraph in the README says, we use the GitHub repo to host releases and issues. (It’s not open-source yet as we first want to get the product, architecture, and codebase somewhat stable.)
  - lemper 3y ago
    at this page, https://httpie.io/desktop https://httpie.io/desktop, there's a logo that says "open sores, open hearted, open minded." it's misleading, then. at least remove that part in the page.
    - jkbr 3y ago
      That’s a good point. I’ve now updated the website template not to show the image with the slogan on this page. Thanks for the feedback.
  - DandyDev 3y ago
    > not open-source yet Can you be more clear? Is the Desktop app going to be open-source in the future? If so, what license? Do you intend to monetize this product? If so, how? As a side note: I find it strange that you feel the product is not stable enough to share the code, but apparently stable enough to share the product itself.
    - jkbr 3y ago
      Hi Daan, >> not open-source yet > Can you be more clear? Is the Desktop app going to be open-source in the future? If so, what license? Yes, but have no ETA or license choice yet. > Do you intend to monetize this product? If so, how? Yes. We strongly believe in a freemium where both free and premium users are happy. We’ll primarily monetize collaboration and enterprise features without cannibalizing free users. In this sense, we’re inspired by companies like GitHub or Figma. And in our case, free also includes users without an account. > As a side note: I find it strange that you feel the product is not stable enough to share the code, but apparently stable enough to share the product itself. Running an open-source project well is not easy and takes resources. Building a great product is hard on its own. Our primary goal is to design and build the best API product possible, so we direct all our energy there for now.
jeanlucas 3y ago
Very well PUT (pun intended). Actually, isn't this how we exactly got where we are with Postman?
- anta40 3y ago
  Any recommendation on open source alternative?
  - dylanowen 3y ago
    I've been using https://github.com/bayne/dot-http https://github.com/bayne/dot-http but https://hurl.dev/ https://hurl.dev/ seems more full featured.
    - smt88 3y ago
      Neither of these have the convenience of the original Postman GUI and aren't really alternatives.
      - sphars 3y ago
        Bruno seems like a good up and coming candidate. Found about this one after all the insomnia drama a couple weeks ago https://github.com/usebruno/bruno https://github.com/usebruno/bruno
      - dylanowen 3y ago
        For creating requests the GUI of postman is way over the top. HTTP is so simple, why not just write that directly in a literate format you can checkin to a repo? For actually running the requests though I agree a gui is nice. I actually use dot-http as an embedded tool in a browser extension. They're still alternatives, just not in the style you're used to.
        smt88 3y ago
        > HTTP is so simple So is email. The simplicity of a protocol has nothing to do with the complexity of the workflow that produces it. > why not just write that directly in a literate format you can checkin to a repo? Because nothing I work on in Postman is something I need to check in to a repo. I need to test HTTP requests, and I've never worked with a code base that had raw HTTP requests in it. > They're still alternatives, just not in the style you're used to. The "style" is different enough that entire use cases become impossible. Let's say I want to copy HTTP response headers out of a log in JSON format. In Postman, I can paste JSON (and various other key-value formats) into the headers field, and it automatically parses it for me. There are a hundred little conveniences like that that require a good GUI.
pyrolistical 3y ago
Hmm. That is very misleading. Their footer talking about open source is referring to their cli (which is very good btw) This might be an oversight just need to fix their marketing page
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weinzierl 3y ago
Do you mean HTTPie also raised venture capital or just in general? If it is HTTPie, would you have a source? Not doubting. I'm compiling a table with Postman alternatives, VC-backed is on column and I like to add sources where possible.
- JimDabell 3y ago
  > We’ve raised a $6.5M Seed Round from Coatue, Blossom Capital, the founders of Intercom, Checkout.com, Monzo, etc. — https://httpie.io/about https://httpie.io/about
  - laurent123456 3y ago
    > $6.5M I'm probably missing something, but it seems insane they need so much money to make (yet another) API testing client. And I'm guessing it means the company is valued at x billion dollars
    - da39a3ee 3y ago
      They're not "making an API testing client". They're trying to start something called a "business". People do this to try to get enough of this thing called "money", to pay for the costs in their lives and their family's lives. If they are based in America, they would be calculating at least, say $200k per year per employee, since they need to pay healthcare etc. So multiply that by the number of employees you want in your business, then add all the other costs, and extend over the period you want the funding to cover.
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      - laurent123456 3y ago
        Nice, thanks for sharing your wisdom. And still insane they need that much money, we all have examples here of businesses that succeeded without having to raise millions of dollars
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da39a3ee 3y ago
Because they're trying to make a living from software? And why the fuck, exactly, should they not do that? Reread your comment and perhaps you'll see how insufferably entitled, as well as naive, it sounds.
da39a3ee 3y ago
They're not "making a REST testing tool". They're trying to start something called a "business". This has been a prominent feature of human society for many centuries. People do it to pay for their lives and their family's lives.
baggachipz 3y ago
It's next in line after Postman. Used it for years, liked it, now it's enshittified. I'll use this one until the endless cycle repeats.

yawnxyz 3y ago

Why doesn't Github have some kind of policy about projects pretending to be open source and effectively acting as an ad on Github?

koito17 3y ago
It would be a little funny that GitHub, a proprietary code hosting platform, suddenly cares that proprietary software uses it to host bug reports or other assets. This isn't the first project I've seen that is nothing more than a README and exists simply for people to file issues. e.g. there is https://github.com/cursive-ide/cursive https://github.com/cursive-ide/cursive With that said, Codeberg has a strict policy of hosting software licensed under an OSI or FSF approved license.[1] They will actually take down repositories that do not follow this guideline. [1] https://docs.codeberg.org/getting-started/faq/#can-i-host-software-and-resources-without-a-free-and-open-source-software-license%3F https://docs.codeberg.org/getting-started/faq/#can-i-host-so...
jkbr 3y ago
As the first paragraph in the README says, we use the GitHub repo to host releases and issues. (It’s not open-source yet as we first want to get the product, architecture, and codebase somewhat stable.)
- lemper 3y ago
  at this page, https://httpie.io/desktop https://httpie.io/desktop, there's a logo that says "open sores, open hearted, open minded." it's misleading, then. at least remove that part in the page.
  - jkbr 3y ago
    That’s a good point. I’ve now updated the website template not to show the image with the slogan on this page. Thanks for the feedback.
- DandyDev 3y ago
  > not open-source yet Can you be more clear? Is the Desktop app going to be open-source in the future? If so, what license? Do you intend to monetize this product? If so, how? As a side note: I find it strange that you feel the product is not stable enough to share the code, but apparently stable enough to share the product itself.
  - jkbr 3y ago
    Hi Daan, >> not open-source yet > Can you be more clear? Is the Desktop app going to be open-source in the future? If so, what license? Yes, but have no ETA or license choice yet. > Do you intend to monetize this product? If so, how? Yes. We strongly believe in a freemium where both free and premium users are happy. We’ll primarily monetize collaboration and enterprise features without cannibalizing free users. In this sense, we’re inspired by companies like GitHub or Figma. And in our case, free also includes users without an account. > As a side note: I find it strange that you feel the product is not stable enough to share the code, but apparently stable enough to share the product itself. Running an open-source project well is not easy and takes resources. Building a great product is hard on its own. Our primary goal is to design and build the best API product possible, so we direct all our energy there for now.

jeanlucas 3y ago

Very well PUT (pun intended). Actually, isn't this how we exactly got where we are with Postman?

anta40 3y ago
Any recommendation on open source alternative?
- dylanowen 3y ago
  I've been using https://github.com/bayne/dot-http https://github.com/bayne/dot-http but https://hurl.dev/ https://hurl.dev/ seems more full featured.
  - smt88 3y ago
    Neither of these have the convenience of the original Postman GUI and aren't really alternatives.
    - sphars 3y ago
      Bruno seems like a good up and coming candidate. Found about this one after all the insomnia drama a couple weeks ago https://github.com/usebruno/bruno https://github.com/usebruno/bruno
    - dylanowen 3y ago
      For creating requests the GUI of postman is way over the top. HTTP is so simple, why not just write that directly in a literate format you can checkin to a repo? For actually running the requests though I agree a gui is nice. I actually use dot-http as an embedded tool in a browser extension. They're still alternatives, just not in the style you're used to.
      - smt88 3y ago
        > HTTP is so simple So is email. The simplicity of a protocol has nothing to do with the complexity of the workflow that produces it. > why not just write that directly in a literate format you can checkin to a repo? Because nothing I work on in Postman is something I need to check in to a repo. I need to test HTTP requests, and I've never worked with a code base that had raw HTTP requests in it. > They're still alternatives, just not in the style you're used to. The "style" is different enough that entire use cases become impossible. Let's say I want to copy HTTP response headers out of a log in JSON format. In Postman, I can paste JSON (and various other key-value formats) into the headers field, and it automatically parses it for me. There are a hundred little conveniences like that that require a good GUI.

pyrolistical 3y ago

Hmm. That is very misleading. Their footer talking about open source is referring to their cli (which is very good btw) This might be an oversight just need to fix their marketing page

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weinzierl 3y ago

Do you mean HTTPie also raised venture capital or just in general? If it is HTTPie, would you have a source? Not doubting. I'm compiling a table with Postman alternatives, VC-backed is on column and I like to add sources where possible.

JimDabell 3y ago
> We’ve raised a $6.5M Seed Round from Coatue, Blossom Capital, the founders of Intercom, Checkout.com, Monzo, etc. — https://httpie.io/about https://httpie.io/about
- laurent123456 3y ago
  > $6.5M I'm probably missing something, but it seems insane they need so much money to make (yet another) API testing client. And I'm guessing it means the company is valued at x billion dollars
  - da39a3ee 3y ago
    They're not "making an API testing client". They're trying to start something called a "business". People do this to try to get enough of this thing called "money", to pay for the costs in their lives and their family's lives. If they are based in America, they would be calculating at least, say $200k per year per employee, since they need to pay healthcare etc. So multiply that by the number of employees you want in your business, then add all the other costs, and extend over the period you want the funding to cover.
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    - laurent123456 3y ago
      Nice, thanks for sharing your wisdom. And still insane they need that much money, we all have examples here of businesses that succeeded without having to raise millions of dollars

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da39a3ee 3y ago

Because they're trying to make a living from software? And why the fuck, exactly, should they not do that? Reread your comment and perhaps you'll see how insufferably entitled, as well as naive, it sounds.

da39a3ee 3y ago

They're not "making a REST testing tool". They're trying to start something called a "business". This has been a prominent feature of human society for many centuries. People do it to pay for their lives and their family's lives.

baggachipz 3y ago

It's next in line after Postman. Used it for years, liked it, now it's enshittified. I'll use this one until the endless cycle repeats.