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This report is basically just advance warning for people who live in NYC to start planning to not have it around. You don't put stuff like this into a final pu
by AndrewKemendo 3y ago
This report is basically just advance warning for people who live in NYC to start planning to not have it around.
You don't put stuff like this into a final public report unless you think it's the most likely outcome.
We know for a fact the US has neither the leadership, funding mechanism nor the incentive structures to actually build for BEYOND those 20 years anyway, so even if they were able to shore things up for now until 2043, it would crumble not long after that
As a counter example, the Hoover Dam, (for whatever you think of it's environmental impact) is in fine operation today and with no major engineering issues on the horizon projected until 2067 (which is the furthest they go out on contracts) despite the population growth that it has had to serve.
The kind of socialists that brought us the Hoover Dam don't exist anymore. We shouldn't expect any great social programs or systems in our lifetime.
- bushbaba 3y agoWe care about the environment, human life, and workers rights. That comes at substantially greater cost to build.
- steveBK123 3y agoMany other advanced, rich, highly unionized countries.. like say, France.. are able to build subways at 1/10th the per-mile cost of NYC. So its far more than that.
- sitkack 3y agoBut that doesn’t give the socialism bad windbags a venue to derail (ha) the conversation. Building a working mass transit system shouldn’t be a partisan (ha) shitshow.
- wunderland 3y agoThe US cares about none of those things and still pays insanely high prices for bad infrastructure. The US cares about businesses, and building good public utilities is fundamentally at odds with a for-profit model.
- CensoredInSF 3y agoThe new socialists tax you at 40% and then give you no services and a huge payroll of government workers. Socialism IS the problem.
- kouru225 3y agoWe have all these problems right now and the US has the lowest tax rates in history. Stop falling for lies and start looking at numbers. Edit: FYI socialism doesn’t mean the government controls or owns anything. It means that the workers own the means of production.
- uw_rob 3y agoInterchanging USA with NYC is misleading
- Wowfunhappy 3y agoThe author of TFA has another post here: https://pedestrianobservations.com/2022/10/24/the-transit-costs-project-conclusion-is-out/ https://pedestrianobservations.com/2022/10/24/the-transit-co... It concludes: > The causes of high American (especially New York) costs are institutional, and fixable, without a revolutionary upending of the legal or social system. We can’t tell you how New York can build for the costs of Nuremberg or Turkey, both around $100 million per km, but $200 million per km, slightly higher than Italy and slightly lower than Sweden, is achievable.
- paulddraper 3y ago> socialists > Hoover Dam The irony