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Why not? "Apple backs X standard" sounds like enough for an HN story to me Every story sounds interesting to someone. Again, the burden of adding interestingne
by pvg 3y ago
Why not? "Apple backs X standard" sounds like enough for an HN story to me
Every story sounds interesting to someone. Again, the burden of adding interestingness is on the author/poster. Could this supposed Apple support for some obscure standard most people haven't heard of be interesting? Sure. Is it interesting to merely state? No. Seems pretty straightforward.
You didn't reply to my question of "what if you could only link a domain"
I don't understand the question, I guess. The granularity of URLs happens to fit the granularity of HN stories. These things are connected and sometimes the granularity does get broken and the results are often iffy - e.g. posts of individual tweets, posts of random github issues, etc. Such posts are sometimes good but often bad because they don't actually form interesting stories that produce curious conversation. 'What if you could only link domains' just feels like a different version of 'what if HN was just twitter'. And, incidentally, HN does have conventions against certain types of 'domain' linking - if you link a domain that's a collection of things, it will get modded down and you'll be told to pick something from the collection and post that instead of the whole thing.
I'm not playing logic games.
I am!
That's what voting is for.
No, voting is just a part of that. There's a lot of convention/culture and there is very much a convention against letting people shape the conversation with their own gloss on other people's stuff. That's what commenting is for and what titling is not for.
Finding an interesting thing inside an uninteresting thing that deserves its own title happens constantly.
Well, you'll have to find some examples because the ones that come up are almost always of not-interesting things or interestingness special-pleadings.
In the former case they are completely objectively not making a "most important comment".
Of course they are, especially when they are selecting a non-representative part of the article which is quite a lot of the time - in fact, by the process you are describing, by definition. You don't get to tell other users what is important in an article that isn't yours from the privileged position of a title. You don't get to mega-comment, basically. This isn't some law of physics or the only way to run a messageboard but it's hardly some unreasonable mystery of HN. Lots of subreddits and other forums operate similarly, for similar reasons.
And sometimes people submit tweets to HN. HN is supposed to be for anything interesting, no matter the length.
Well, not so sure about no matter the length and people do submit tweets to HN and sometimes it works but sometimes it doesn't, I touched on this above. They're the wrong granularity, there are titling problems, dupeyness problems (there are infinite tweets about the same thing), etc. Tweets do kind of break the classic 'link aggregator' design assumptions. That's not the fault of tweets or the tweeters or the posters of tweets to HN but it's definitely a thing.
"Here is a thing I found, here is what it is in a few words, nothing further.
Link the thing, add your comment.
- Dylan16807 3y ago> Link the thing, add your comment. That's the problem. When there is no URL for the thing! If the thing could be specifically linked, no comment would be necessary. As the OP here said, they found a specific section of article to be interesting: https://www.lux.camera/halide-for-ios-17/ https://www.lux.camera/halide-for-ios-17/ And they wanted to share that section they found, no additional words, but clearly there was some motivation to use the original source. But neither URL goes to the thing.
- pvg 3y agoThen you use one of the many workarounds discussed. All these worlds are yours, except Makeupyourowntitleuropa. To make the argument for attempted landing there, there'd have to be at least some evidence that HN is missing out on interesting (URLless?) things due to its oppressive title regime.
- Dylan16807 3y ago> Then you use one of the many workarounds discussed. There are two workarounds. Both are bad. Making a blog post good enough to be a story requires a huge amount of effort, and is not a fair requirement as an alternative to simply submitting. (And a quick, simple blog post wouldn't be acceptable by HN standards.) Making a submission with a URL that doesn't go the right place, with a comment that points out the thing, only works when the more generic URL is actually interesting enough on its own. And even then it might be worse off for bundling too much together. "Halide 2.12: All The Latest iOS 17 Photography Features" is not very interesting on its own. "Support HDR images in your app" is not interesting on its own. With the way you're talking about keeping up standards, surely you don't want more bad URLs submitted. > All these worlds are yours, except Makeupyourowntitleuropa. I don't want to allow any more making up of titles than you normally get when the specific thing you're submitting doesn't have a title. Just a bit more flexibility on choosing the "specific thing". A rule that it has to be a direct quote would also be much better than the status quo. Anything to avoid a submission of one specific thing turning into a submission of a broader and 90% unrelated thing. > at least some evidence Jesus Christ. You keep acting like this never happens when there's an example right in front of us. That's at least "some" evidence, come on. Even if you think the title was unacceptable, surely you'll agree that neither of these two URLs is good for submitting the thing that OP found and a good chunk of 50 people found interesting.