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I think my laptop has a decent HDR display? It's a MacBook Pro 14" with "Liquid Retina XDR" as they call it. I think HDR content looks more or less ... as inten
by mort96 3y ago
I think my laptop has a decent HDR display? It's a MacBook Pro 14" with "Liquid Retina XDR" as they call it. I think HDR content looks more or less ... as intended.
I think it's terrible. The only time I even remember that HDR is a thing is when some embedded video in a web page gets much brighter than the rest of the screen and the rest of the screen looks dim as a result. It's never a "wow that sun looks amazing" style experience, it's always a "wow most of my screen just got really dark" style experience.
I think maybe HDR has a place in movies and TV shows and even maybe YouTube style videos (not that I've experienced that), but I think enabling HDR for small video embeds on a web page was a terrible decision.
- Night_Thastus 3y agoIt's because trying to view SDR content on an HDR display doesn't work. It will look like garbage. You have to turn HDR on and off depending on what content you view.
- wlesieutre 3y agoHave you tried it on a Mac laptop? The OS will transparently boost the backlight brightness while shifting the white point of the non-HDR content down so that everything else on screen is completely unaffected. It's very different from the experience I've had in Windows where if you enable the HDR setting everything looks shitty and washed out.
- Toutouxc 3y agoOn Apple displays you don’t have to turn HDR on or off, it’s available all the time. SDR content is displayed as usual (exactly like everything looked 10 years ago) and HDR content can sit directly next to it and use whatever brightness headroom is available for extended dynamic range. It’s totally seamless and transparent, but the experience can make the user think that SDR content is getting darker as their eyes adjust to HDR.
- Night_Thastus 3y agoThat must be nice. Hopefully the rest of the world catches up to that.
- SSLy 3y agoMicrosoft would need two years if they start yesterday. They won't.
- baq 3y agoWhat you’ve described is absolutely not anywhere close to decent. Right now it’s basically OLED in a dark room or don’t bother. Large TVs can get away with FALD, maybe.
- Dylan16807 3y agoIf the rest of your screen actually dims, then your screen is not displaying things correctly. If everything is dim in comparison because the HDR is so bright, is that happening only in especially bright scenes, or is that happening all the time?
- mort96 3y agoThe screen doesn't literally dim, but my experience is that the screen suddenly dims because this one part gets so much brighter than the pure SDR white it's surrounded by. I'm not talking about this in the context of watching long videos or something, but when just browsing through stuff on sites like Reddit. I'll be clicking on the "expand image" button on a series of posts (using the old reddit design) and then suddenly one of them is a HDR video which makes the rest of the screen appear to dim until I close it. So we're not talking about "especially bright scenes". And I'm sure that if I fullscreened the video and the whole screen was covered by that single piece of HDR media, it would look alright. My guess is that those videos are filmed on an iPhone in HDR mode.
- Dylan16807 3y agoSomething has gone wrong in the calibration then. A normal scene shouldn't outshine normal windows. It's not a problem inherent to HDR.
- mort96 3y agoWhat is the “correct” brightness to a video of the outside on a bright sunny day compared to the SDR GUI elements? What if the sun is in frame?
- Dylan16807 3y agoI won't pretend to be an expert, but I'd say a nice daylit scene should almost certainly not be brighter than SDR white. If the sun is in frame, it should be very very bright, but it shouldn't be big enough to cause a problem. If someone embeds a video of the sun then they're trolling you.