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gijames1225 said: I'm a little curious as to why this is even an article. It's inevitable and has no bearing on 99.99999% of people. I get that it's low hangi

by mouse_ 3y ago

gijames1225 said: I'm a little curious as to why this is even an article. It's inevitable and has no bearing on 99.99999% of people. I get that it's low hanging fruit from a reporting / research perspective (sort of like the 'Twitter users blah blah blah' articles), but outside of the 'publish or die' mindset of churning out content this is pointless and continues to make 4-chan and these people seem much more relevant than they are.

brucethemoose2 3y ago
> It's inevitable and has no bearing on 99.99999% of people. I dunno about that. 4chan memes and attitudes have diffused out into wider US politics. Not that I disagree with the jist of it. "Oh no, internet dwellers are posting something horrible... I am shocked!"
- aydyn 3y ago
  > 4chan memes and attitudes have diffused out into wider US politics. Keyword _have_. 4chan hasn't been culturally relevant for like a decade.
JKCalhoun 3y ago
I need a reminder from time to time that the internet has become a dumpster fire. These add fuel to the internal debate I am always having as to whether we ought to just toss the whole stinking thing away and go back to a world dominated by radio [1]. [1] (Not that I have of course any means to do that ... but I can drop out I suppose.)
- bitwize 3y ago
  What we need to do is build a progressive political orientation into all layers of the network, from site content moderation to actual packet routing. To quote Drew Devault, "no Nazis" is a better policy than "no politics".
  - throwawa14223 3y ago
    Why would any person adopt packet routing that had built in progressive political orientation?
  - catiopatio 3y ago
    Poe’s law strikes again. I legit cannot determine whether your comment is satire or genuine.
  - wmidwestranger 3y ago
    Somehow, at this moment, industry having massive influence on government policy is not fascist but a guy in the UK teaching his dog to salute like a Nazi is.
  - richbell 3y ago
    > To quote Drew Devault, "no Nazis" is a better policy than "no politics". I have a lot of respect for Drew, but I can't take absolutist opinions like this seriously from someone who reputedly blocks people over any minor disagreement or perceived sleight. Regardless, "No Nazis" is a great policy until someone decides they don't like you and labels you as one. The most prevailing anti-Ukraine sentiment is based on the claim that they are Nazis.
- wmidwestranger 3y ago
  As distasteful as memes can be; the slow, steady, and ever more complete of government and corporate control is just as sad to me. Maybe even worse because a lot of the distasteful stuff is made by people with bad taste while the plasticising of the internet is done for profit or influence. The Eternal September, done deliberately. There is an interview between Mike Wallace and the Chinese leader in the 90s where Wallace asks the leader why they censor the internet. He specifically says, "don't you think your people are smart enough to make up their own minds and come to their own conclusions?" So it goes, now the entire world is treated the same way.
- brucethemoose2 3y ago
  > I need a reminder from time to time that the internet has become a dumpster fire The internet was always a dumpster fire. 4chan is old, toxic forums are even older. That is part of the package. What made it cool was the freeness and gems, and the little adequately moderated niche communities. I would argue the bigger problem is that the internet became siloed, bland, soullessly moderated by corporations who don't care, and excessively spammy.
  - richbell 3y ago
    > The internet was always a dumpster fire. 4chan is old, toxic forums are even older. That is part of the package. Lest we forget that a favorite pastime during the aughts was tricking your friends or strangers into visiting vile "shock" websites.
- shitlord 3y ago
  Most of the internet is not like this, and most people using AI aren't using it in this way. Sensationalism sells, and media outlets have a financial interest in blowing these things out of proportion to get readers riled up.
bitwize 3y ago
Racist content has a bearing on the marginalized races. Ignoring the casual hate on 4chan brought us GamerGate and Trump.
- ecshafer 3y ago
  I thought deindustrialization and free trade brought us trump not memes? But maybe I made a mistake by listening to what trump supporters said.
- ToValueFunfetti 3y ago
  As far as I'm aware, nobody got physically hurt from Gamergate, ie. ignoring casual hate would have completely removed its impact. Though you could argue that that was impossible. Do you have evidence for your claim that ignoring casual hate caused either of those things? My baseless theory is that suppressing and excluding these people from the mainstream is what riled them up in the first place; it certainly didn't feel like they were being ignored even after that. But I am open to contradicting evidence.
- richbell 3y ago
  People losing trust in and feeling ignored by politicians is what brought us Trump. Some people voted for him because they liked that he wasn't a typical "politician", other people voted for him out of protest.
marsupial 3y ago
The news cycle essentially is 'publish or die' and race topics get clicks. It's also bad PR and pressures the AI monopoly to bake shitlib orthodoxy into their models, to make them less transparent and hint regulation. Etc.

by mouse_ 3y ago

brucethemoose2 3y ago

> It's inevitable and has no bearing on 99.99999% of people. I dunno about that. 4chan memes and attitudes have diffused out into wider US politics. Not that I disagree with the jist of it. "Oh no, internet dwellers are posting something horrible... I am shocked!"

aydyn 3y ago
> 4chan memes and attitudes have diffused out into wider US politics. Keyword _have_. 4chan hasn't been culturally relevant for like a decade.

JKCalhoun 3y ago

I need a reminder from time to time that the internet has become a dumpster fire. These add fuel to the internal debate I am always having as to whether we ought to just toss the whole stinking thing away and go back to a world dominated by radio [1]. [1] (Not that I have of course any means to do that ... but I can drop out I suppose.)

bitwize 3y ago
What we need to do is build a progressive political orientation into all layers of the network, from site content moderation to actual packet routing. To quote Drew Devault, "no Nazis" is a better policy than "no politics".
- throwawa14223 3y ago
  Why would any person adopt packet routing that had built in progressive political orientation?
- catiopatio 3y ago
  Poe’s law strikes again. I legit cannot determine whether your comment is satire or genuine.
- wmidwestranger 3y ago
  Somehow, at this moment, industry having massive influence on government policy is not fascist but a guy in the UK teaching his dog to salute like a Nazi is.
- richbell 3y ago
  > To quote Drew Devault, "no Nazis" is a better policy than "no politics". I have a lot of respect for Drew, but I can't take absolutist opinions like this seriously from someone who reputedly blocks people over any minor disagreement or perceived sleight. Regardless, "No Nazis" is a great policy until someone decides they don't like you and labels you as one. The most prevailing anti-Ukraine sentiment is based on the claim that they are Nazis.
wmidwestranger 3y ago
As distasteful as memes can be; the slow, steady, and ever more complete of government and corporate control is just as sad to me. Maybe even worse because a lot of the distasteful stuff is made by people with bad taste while the plasticising of the internet is done for profit or influence. The Eternal September, done deliberately. There is an interview between Mike Wallace and the Chinese leader in the 90s where Wallace asks the leader why they censor the internet. He specifically says, "don't you think your people are smart enough to make up their own minds and come to their own conclusions?" So it goes, now the entire world is treated the same way.
brucethemoose2 3y ago
> I need a reminder from time to time that the internet has become a dumpster fire The internet was always a dumpster fire. 4chan is old, toxic forums are even older. That is part of the package. What made it cool was the freeness and gems, and the little adequately moderated niche communities. I would argue the bigger problem is that the internet became siloed, bland, soullessly moderated by corporations who don't care, and excessively spammy.
- richbell 3y ago
  > The internet was always a dumpster fire. 4chan is old, toxic forums are even older. That is part of the package. Lest we forget that a favorite pastime during the aughts was tricking your friends or strangers into visiting vile "shock" websites.
shitlord 3y ago
Most of the internet is not like this, and most people using AI aren't using it in this way. Sensationalism sells, and media outlets have a financial interest in blowing these things out of proportion to get readers riled up.

bitwize 3y ago

Racist content has a bearing on the marginalized races. Ignoring the casual hate on 4chan brought us GamerGate and Trump.

ecshafer 3y ago
I thought deindustrialization and free trade brought us trump not memes? But maybe I made a mistake by listening to what trump supporters said.
ToValueFunfetti 3y ago
As far as I'm aware, nobody got physically hurt from Gamergate, ie. ignoring casual hate would have completely removed its impact. Though you could argue that that was impossible. Do you have evidence for your claim that ignoring casual hate caused either of those things? My baseless theory is that suppressing and excluding these people from the mainstream is what riled them up in the first place; it certainly didn't feel like they were being ignored even after that. But I am open to contradicting evidence.
richbell 3y ago
People losing trust in and feeling ignored by politicians is what brought us Trump. Some people voted for him because they liked that he wasn't a typical "politician", other people voted for him out of protest.

marsupial 3y ago

The news cycle essentially is 'publish or die' and race topics get clicks. It's also bad PR and pressures the AI monopoly to bake shitlib orthodoxy into their models, to make them less transparent and hint regulation. Etc.