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Sorry I got confused - am I supposed to interpret this as stochastic terrorism, or as the language of the unheard? What about when two teens deliberately run ov

Sorry I got confused - am I supposed to interpret this as stochastic terrorism, or as the language of the unheard? What about when two teens deliberately run over a cyclist [0], or any of the other black-on-white killings, such as ones VICE themselves reported on [1]? Or when a school board president, his wife, and his children, are threatened for allowing only the US flag in school [2]? Does VICE news share guilt for their promotion of hate [3,4,5,6,7]? Do the schools, when they dehumanize whites into mosquitoes [8,9]? [0] https://abcnews.go.com/US/retired-police-chief-killed-las-vegas-hit-and-run/story?id=103506086 https://abcnews.go.com/US/retired-police-chief-killed-las-ve... [1] Can You Commit a Hate Crime Against a White Person? - https://www.vice.com/en/article/z4jadx/can-you-commit-a-hate-crime-against-a-white-person https://www.vice.com/en/article/z4jadx/can-you-commit-a-hate... [2] 'People are threatening me, my wife and my children,' Sunol school board prez claims after banning flags - https://www.ktvu.com/news/sunol-school-board-president-says-his-family-received-death-threats-after-flag-ban-decision https://www.ktvu.com/news/sunol-school-board-president-says-... [3] Want to Heal Yourself from 'Toxic Whiteness'? This Class Can Help - https://www.vice.com/en/article/3b4k79/toxic-whiteness-everyday-feminism-sandra-kim-interview https://www.vice.com/en/article/3b4k79/toxic-whiteness-every... [4] 100 Ways White People Can Make Life Less Frustrating For People of Color - https://www.vice.com/en/article/ne95dm/how-to-be-a-white-ally-to-people-of-color https://www.vice.com/en/article/ne95dm/how-to-be-a-white-all... [5] Dear White People, Please Stop Pretending Reverse Racism Is Real - https://www.vice.com/en/article/kwzjvz/dear-white-people-please-stop-pretending-reverse-racism-is-real https://www.vice.com/en/article/kwzjvz/dear-white-people-ple... [6] Dear White Vegans, Stop Appropriating Food - https://www.vice.com/en/article/bv833z/dear-white-vegans-stop-appropriating-food https://www.vice.com/en/article/bv833z/dear-white-vegans-sto... [7] What it's like to take a vacation away from white people - https://www.vice.com/en/article/mb5gea/what-its-like-to-take-a-vacation-away-from-white-people https://www.vice.com/en/article/mb5gea/what-its-like-to-take... [8] New Prague school staff training video depicts white people as mosquitoes - https://alphanews.org/new-prague-school-staff-training-video-depicts-white-people-as-mosquitoes/ https://alphanews.org/new-prague-school-staff-training-video... [9] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ9l7y4UuxY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ9l7y4UuxY - the titular video itself

dkonofalski 3y ago
You seem to equate one-off incidents with patterns. That makes anything in the links you've posted pretty meaningless.
- SenAnder 3y ago
  I can't be bothered to run the math now (especially since the FBI tracking hispanic ethnicity separately from race complicates everything), but I believe that according to the 2016 FBI homicide statistics, a random black person is about 10x as likely to kill a white person, as a random white person is to kill a black. (There are "only" 2x as many black-on-white murders as white-on-black, but there are ~5x more white people than black, so the per-capita interracial murder perpetration rate is 10x higher. I'm going by memory, so I welcome a double-check) Regardless, the media do not hesitate to abuse "one-off incidents". I applaud your appeal to a higher standard, but unless you apply this standard evenly, it is just another form of bias.
hotnfresh 3y ago
Did you read your [1] link? Their answer was "yes, in fact" and aside from taking the perspective that this may be surprising to many folks, the article doesn't really argue against it.
- skyyler 3y ago
  You know that these types of folks don't read articles.
- SenAnder 3y ago
  I did read that article. It was an example of an obvious black-on-white hate crime, not of VICE's hate peddling. I have clarified which of my sources refer to what to remove the ambiguity.
  - hotnfresh 3y ago
    Ah, OK, I thought you were suggesting Vice condones that kind of thing (as Betteridge's law might encourage a headline-reader to think of the piece)

dkonofalski 3y ago

You seem to equate one-off incidents with patterns. That makes anything in the links you've posted pretty meaningless.

SenAnder 3y ago
I can't be bothered to run the math now (especially since the FBI tracking hispanic ethnicity separately from race complicates everything), but I believe that according to the 2016 FBI homicide statistics, a random black person is about 10x as likely to kill a white person, as a random white person is to kill a black. (There are "only" 2x as many black-on-white murders as white-on-black, but there are ~5x more white people than black, so the per-capita interracial murder perpetration rate is 10x higher. I'm going by memory, so I welcome a double-check) Regardless, the media do not hesitate to abuse "one-off incidents". I applaud your appeal to a higher standard, but unless you apply this standard evenly, it is just another form of bias.

hotnfresh 3y ago

Did you read your [1] link? Their answer was "yes, in fact" and aside from taking the perspective that this may be surprising to many folks, the article doesn't really argue against it.

skyyler 3y ago
You know that these types of folks don't read articles.
SenAnder 3y ago
I did read that article. It was an example of an obvious black-on-white hate crime, not of VICE's hate peddling. I have clarified which of my sources refer to what to remove the ambiguity.
- hotnfresh 3y ago
  Ah, OK, I thought you were suggesting Vice condones that kind of thing (as Betteridge's law might encourage a headline-reader to think of the piece)