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Pretty much every single civilized nation out there knows that the answer is socialized healthcare. In contrast, the US seems to be the only first world country

Pretty much every single civilized nation out there knows that the answer is socialized healthcare. In contrast, the US seems to be the only first world country that has chosen to forget that, as we must not forget that healthcare debt and bankruptcies weren't a thing until the 80s. Yet, this guy's conclusion is essentially that "poor people" are stealing from "us". This is giving me some strong "welfare queen are the problem" vibes.

robomartin 3y ago
> Pretty much every single civilized nation out there knows that the answer is socialized healthcare. The problem most don't recognize when thinking that this is the solution is that solutions are not universal. In the US, this would not work at all. One cannot compare what works in, say, Finland with the same solution in the US. Why? Because, in the US, our government has devolved into a complete disaster. Everything they touch is a mess. And so, the reason for which lots of people reject the idea of government-run healthcare in the US, is a well-justified lack of trust in government. It's as simple as that. I know this might not be easy to understand from a perspective external to the US. I get it. Yet, that's our reality. I'll give you a personal example that is directly related to healthcare: Obama went on TV dozens of times repeating the same thing regarding his proposed health insurance system: "If you like your doctor, you'll be able to keep your doctor." "if you like your healthcare plan, you'll be able to keep your healthcare plan" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44kyHOPEZV8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44kyHOPEZV8 Well, before Obamacare (ACA) was forced on us, my family was spending $600 per month on excellent health insurance with a reasonable deductible. We liked it and were happy with it. After having to transition into Obamacare, it went up to $1800 per month with a deductible of $9K per year. In other words, the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, dozens of times, made a promise to the nation and, as soon as he got his law approved that promise meant nothing. We went from spending approximately $10K per year on health insurance to over $30K. Why would anyone with two working neurons connected together ever trust the US government with healthcare? Why? They are incompetent and lie to us. Sure, the idea of socialized medicine sounds wonderful. Not here. If we had that here it would be an absolute shit-show. It's scary to think about how horribly wrong something like that could go. So, yeah, I am with you. Just not here. No way. This isn't Europe, not even close. EDIT: Watch that video and read the comments. There's a comment --not mine-- that confirms what happened to my family. I know lots of people who were equally affected. It reads: "As soon as Obamacare kicked in, they said my healthcare plan did not meet the requirements of Obamacare. So, I had to get a comparable plan where monthly premiums tripled, the coverage went down, and out-of-pocket/deductibles went up. That promise was not kept." Government-run medicine in the US? No. Please. No.
- manuelabeledo 3y ago
  > So, yeah, I am with you. Just not here. No way. This isn't Europe, not even close. This is some bs American exceptionalism. Is it not like Canada? Or Japan? Or Mexico? In fact, Mexico, with its absolutely nightmarish government, has consistently provided socialized healthcare to their citizens, and cheap healthcare to American healthcare tourists. In the meantime, your opinion is that you’d rather continue being scammed by insurance and healthcare providers? By the way, the US effectively had socialized healthcare for decades. It was dismantled by Reagan, Nixon, and the GOP. You may want to start pointing fingers from there.
  - robomartin 3y ago
    It is actually useful to respond to things someone said rather than making shit up and then responding to the shit you made up. One is reality, the other is fantasy. > This is some bs American exceptionalism. I didn't say or even hint at that. In fact, I think that American exceptionalism is complete horseshit. You need to go look-up what that term means my friend. > In the meantime, your opinion is that you’d rather continue being scammed by insurance and healthcare providers? Again, don't manufacture something I did not say and then disguise an accusation inside a question. I never said that. At all. The perspective you propose is very interesting. Was my family being scammed when we were paying $600 per month for excellent insurance? Or, are we being scammed NOW when we are paying $1,800 per month for worse insurance at triple the cost and triple the deductible with less coverage and less access to doctors? And, was the nation being scammed when the US President --that I actually voted for-- promised, dozens of times, this would not happen and even added emphasis with "Period!" in some of those promises? Where is the scam? > Is it not like Canada? Or Japan? Or Mexico? Our government? No, it isn't. Not even close. Our government is a disaster. Has been so for decades, pick a number, I'll say at least 50 years. Which means both of our main political parties are at fault. Did you know out politicians are legally protected if they lie to us? That, among other reasons, is why government-controlled healthcare in the US would be a massive mistake. Did you know that, on the other hand, you can end-up in jail with federal charges if you lie to a politician?
    - 3y ago

robomartin 3y ago

> Pretty much every single civilized nation out there knows that the answer is socialized healthcare. The problem most don't recognize when thinking that this is the solution is that solutions are not universal. In the US, this would not work at all. One cannot compare what works in, say, Finland with the same solution in the US. Why? Because, in the US, our government has devolved into a complete disaster. Everything they touch is a mess. And so, the reason for which lots of people reject the idea of government-run healthcare in the US, is a well-justified lack of trust in government. It's as simple as that. I know this might not be easy to understand from a perspective external to the US. I get it. Yet, that's our reality. I'll give you a personal example that is directly related to healthcare: Obama went on TV dozens of times repeating the same thing regarding his proposed health insurance system: "If you like your doctor, you'll be able to keep your doctor." "if you like your healthcare plan, you'll be able to keep your healthcare plan" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44kyHOPEZV8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44kyHOPEZV8 Well, before Obamacare (ACA) was forced on us, my family was spending $600 per month on excellent health insurance with a reasonable deductible. We liked it and were happy with it. After having to transition into Obamacare, it went up to $1800 per month with a deductible of $9K per year. In other words, the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, dozens of times, made a promise to the nation and, as soon as he got his law approved that promise meant nothing. We went from spending approximately $10K per year on health insurance to over $30K. Why would anyone with two working neurons connected together ever trust the US government with healthcare? Why? They are incompetent and lie to us. Sure, the idea of socialized medicine sounds wonderful. Not here. If we had that here it would be an absolute shit-show. It's scary to think about how horribly wrong something like that could go. So, yeah, I am with you. Just not here. No way. This isn't Europe, not even close. EDIT: Watch that video and read the comments. There's a comment --not mine-- that confirms what happened to my family. I know lots of people who were equally affected. It reads: "As soon as Obamacare kicked in, they said my healthcare plan did not meet the requirements of Obamacare. So, I had to get a comparable plan where monthly premiums tripled, the coverage went down, and out-of-pocket/deductibles went up. That promise was not kept." Government-run medicine in the US? No. Please. No.

manuelabeledo 3y ago
> So, yeah, I am with you. Just not here. No way. This isn't Europe, not even close. This is some bs American exceptionalism. Is it not like Canada? Or Japan? Or Mexico? In fact, Mexico, with its absolutely nightmarish government, has consistently provided socialized healthcare to their citizens, and cheap healthcare to American healthcare tourists. In the meantime, your opinion is that you’d rather continue being scammed by insurance and healthcare providers? By the way, the US effectively had socialized healthcare for decades. It was dismantled by Reagan, Nixon, and the GOP. You may want to start pointing fingers from there.
- robomartin 3y ago
  It is actually useful to respond to things someone said rather than making shit up and then responding to the shit you made up. One is reality, the other is fantasy. > This is some bs American exceptionalism. I didn't say or even hint at that. In fact, I think that American exceptionalism is complete horseshit. You need to go look-up what that term means my friend. > In the meantime, your opinion is that you’d rather continue being scammed by insurance and healthcare providers? Again, don't manufacture something I did not say and then disguise an accusation inside a question. I never said that. At all. The perspective you propose is very interesting. Was my family being scammed when we were paying $600 per month for excellent insurance? Or, are we being scammed NOW when we are paying $1,800 per month for worse insurance at triple the cost and triple the deductible with less coverage and less access to doctors? And, was the nation being scammed when the US President --that I actually voted for-- promised, dozens of times, this would not happen and even added emphasis with "Period!" in some of those promises? Where is the scam? > Is it not like Canada? Or Japan? Or Mexico? Our government? No, it isn't. Not even close. Our government is a disaster. Has been so for decades, pick a number, I'll say at least 50 years. Which means both of our main political parties are at fault. Did you know out politicians are legally protected if they lie to us? That, among other reasons, is why government-controlled healthcare in the US would be a massive mistake. Did you know that, on the other hand, you can end-up in jail with federal charges if you lie to a politician?
  - 3y ago