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Kinda dumb, but still intelligent. The sibling comment explains it well.

by throwaway20304 3y ago

oblio 3y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37776800 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37776800 If by "intelligent" you're comparing with other primates, too, sure :-)
- throwaway20304 3y ago
  My point is, it's not a comparison at all. Intelligence is a trait, you either have it or not. We also use the same word for "how smart you are", but that measurement doesn't change anything about AI being intelligent or not. It can be dumb, but intelligent.
  - oblio 3y ago
    There's little value in that statement. Intelligence is IMO an inherently comparative measure. It's not "on/off", it's "smarter" (than a pile of rocks, than a slug, than another human). So, yeah, you can be a dumb human but you'd be a smart chimpanzee. But we want to be comparing apples with apples in the context of this topic. When people say "AI", everyone implicitly assumes the comparison with human intelligence. So "AI" needs to be as smart as the average human to be actual AI. Ok, AGI, if you prefer that term. There's a reason AI is moving farther and farther away and we're creating new, finer, terms like ML, shape recognition, etc.
    - throwaway20304 3y ago
      I don't know anybody who implicitly assumes that the I in AI is a comparison, people around me understand it as a term for a set of traits, regardless of the level of performance. That's how the term AGI came to be, to distinguish between "intelligent but not necessarily like a human" (AI) and "generally intelligent [like a human]" (AGI). Do you also think that "intelligent alien life in space" means comparable to humans? What if we find something capable of reasoning, abstract thinking, rationality, adaptibility, etc - but much, much dumber than humans? That's intelligence, comparison to humans doesn't change anything about that. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence - how could there be animal intelligence if "intelligence" means comparable to humans? "Crows are intelligent but nowhere near human-level" - this statement wouldn't make any sense if you're right, but it actually does make sense, IMHO. > There's a reason AI is moving farther and farther away and we're creating new, finer, terms like ML, shape recognition, etc. That thing with AI is called moving goalposts. And the finer terms - yeah of course we need to be able to be specific about our software, doesn't mean that's not AI. We talked about shape recognition in neuropsychology for much longer than in AI, same for many more terms that will certainly be reused soon.

Kinda dumb, but still intelligent. The sibling comment explains it well.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37776800 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37776800 If by "intelligent" you're comparing with other primates, too, sure :-)

throwaway20304 3y ago
My point is, it's not a comparison at all. Intelligence is a trait, you either have it or not. We also use the same word for "how smart you are", but that measurement doesn't change anything about AI being intelligent or not. It can be dumb, but intelligent.
- oblio 3y ago
  There's little value in that statement. Intelligence is IMO an inherently comparative measure. It's not "on/off", it's "smarter" (than a pile of rocks, than a slug, than another human). So, yeah, you can be a dumb human but you'd be a smart chimpanzee. But we want to be comparing apples with apples in the context of this topic. When people say "AI", everyone implicitly assumes the comparison with human intelligence. So "AI" needs to be as smart as the average human to be actual AI. Ok, AGI, if you prefer that term. There's a reason AI is moving farther and farther away and we're creating new, finer, terms like ML, shape recognition, etc.
  - throwaway20304 3y ago
    I don't know anybody who implicitly assumes that the I in AI is a comparison, people around me understand it as a term for a set of traits, regardless of the level of performance. That's how the term AGI came to be, to distinguish between "intelligent but not necessarily like a human" (AI) and "generally intelligent [like a human]" (AGI). Do you also think that "intelligent alien life in space" means comparable to humans? What if we find something capable of reasoning, abstract thinking, rationality, adaptibility, etc - but much, much dumber than humans? That's intelligence, comparison to humans doesn't change anything about that. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence - how could there be animal intelligence if "intelligence" means comparable to humans? "Crows are intelligent but nowhere near human-level" - this statement wouldn't make any sense if you're right, but it actually does make sense, IMHO. > There's a reason AI is moving farther and farther away and we're creating new, finer, terms like ML, shape recognition, etc. That thing with AI is called moving goalposts. And the finer terms - yeah of course we need to be able to be specific about our software, doesn't mean that's not AI. We talked about shape recognition in neuropsychology for much longer than in AI, same for many more terms that will certainly be reused soon.