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Having worked in both software and hardware, I understand and appreciate this sentiment in software. But most software engineers don't understand the amount of

Having worked in both software and hardware, I understand and appreciate this sentiment in software. But most software engineers don't understand the amount of time and compute that would be required to mock up a novel, yet sufficiently complex as to be realistic, CPU. I did indeed have a basic HDL implementation, as is required for most patents in the US (reduction to practice). But to implement it fully enough to understand what kind of performance changes you could get in a modern CPU... it's safe to estimate it as an order of magnitude harder than the most complex pure software project you've ever built alone, and well beyond the resources of an intern who's just doing this in his spare time. Software is a great gig, because it's easy and you can do it all on your laptop. And I'm sure computer engineers like myself don't appreciate the difficulty of manufacturing true mechanical hardware at companies like Tesla, where a team and a budget would be even more essential to build anything useful. Anyway, the technical committee thought it was worth patenting, and the idea itself is pretty digestible without it working on production silicon, but I have no idea who comes up with product roadmaps at Intel. It was probably buried in the patent graveyard, or maybe someone qualified actually looked at it and realized it wouldn't work.

rowanG077 3y ago
I'm actually a hardware engineer. I disagree that such a thing is only important in Software. You can easily validate any specific idea using cycle accurate simulators. If your intership didn't have enough time then fine. I would expect you continue working on the apparently golden idea your sitting. Nowadays you have a ton of pretty good softcores to choose from to test out an idea. If the original author of a patent didn't find it worthwhile to pursue the idea for whatever reason I have very little faith in the idea to begin with. Taken to the extreme it's like saying I can turn lead into gold, and then never actually showing you actually making money that way.
- throwaway4590 3y ago
  > I'm actually a hardware engineer. <...> You can easily validate any specific idea using cycle accurate simulators If anything, I'm less convinced than before that you understand how complex a modern CPU is. Perhaps you can re-read my comment; I essentially did what you are suggesting, but that wasn't enough, in my opinion, to glean any information about benchmarks in the real world. It took hundreds of hours. To make it slightly more realistic but still woefully inaccurate using licensable IP's and my own time/money without the company's buy-in seems absurd, even to the most stubborn HN commenter. The fact that we are modifying the L1/L2/L3 structure (perhaps you also didn't read the patent before commenting) makes this essentially re-designing large parts of the CPU from the ground up, at least as far as I understand licensable core IP. > I would expect you continue working on the apparently golden idea your sitting Why? No one ever said it was the golden idea. Only that I found it interesting. Apologies if my optimistic curiosity triggered your defenses. Regardless, your statement makes no sense for other reasons. Perhaps there's a cultural gap (are you not American?). Here are some relevant points about US companies and patents I hope I can help you understand: 1. Big US corporations will patent anything novel, technical, and remotely related to the business as a means of protecting themselves against litigation. Most of these patents only see an initial technical committee, lawyers, and then are never seen again. 2. Inventors have zero individual rights to their patents when patented via company channels (in exchange, the company pays for the lawyers and usually grants a tiny stipend). 3. Interns typically do not influence how research budgets are allocated.

rowanG077 3y ago

I'm actually a hardware engineer. I disagree that such a thing is only important in Software. You can easily validate any specific idea using cycle accurate simulators. If your intership didn't have enough time then fine. I would expect you continue working on the apparently golden idea your sitting. Nowadays you have a ton of pretty good softcores to choose from to test out an idea. If the original author of a patent didn't find it worthwhile to pursue the idea for whatever reason I have very little faith in the idea to begin with. Taken to the extreme it's like saying I can turn lead into gold, and then never actually showing you actually making money that way.

throwaway4590 3y ago
> I'm actually a hardware engineer. <...> You can easily validate any specific idea using cycle accurate simulators If anything, I'm less convinced than before that you understand how complex a modern CPU is. Perhaps you can re-read my comment; I essentially did what you are suggesting, but that wasn't enough, in my opinion, to glean any information about benchmarks in the real world. It took hundreds of hours. To make it slightly more realistic but still woefully inaccurate using licensable IP's and my own time/money without the company's buy-in seems absurd, even to the most stubborn HN commenter. The fact that we are modifying the L1/L2/L3 structure (perhaps you also didn't read the patent before commenting) makes this essentially re-designing large parts of the CPU from the ground up, at least as far as I understand licensable core IP. > I would expect you continue working on the apparently golden idea your sitting Why? No one ever said it was the golden idea. Only that I found it interesting. Apologies if my optimistic curiosity triggered your defenses. Regardless, your statement makes no sense for other reasons. Perhaps there's a cultural gap (are you not American?). Here are some relevant points about US companies and patents I hope I can help you understand: 1. Big US corporations will patent anything novel, technical, and remotely related to the business as a means of protecting themselves against litigation. Most of these patents only see an initial technical committee, lawyers, and then are never seen again. 2. Inventors have zero individual rights to their patents when patented via company channels (in exchange, the company pays for the lawyers and usually grants a tiny stipend). 3. Interns typically do not influence how research budgets are allocated.