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For an outsider it's baffling to see 50% of the US slowly getting brainwashed to the point where they reject all facts out of spite, and think it is important t

For an outsider it's baffling to see 50% of the US slowly getting brainwashed to the point where they reject all facts out of spite, and think it is important to be contrarian on literally every social issue.

okeuro49 3y ago
Also from an outsider, you're talking about the Democrats -- right?
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  Whatever you think about CNN or MSNBC, FoxNews is pretty over the top, it’s basically a tabloid at this point with many tabloid stories. I disagree with the premise however: it’s not that American media has so much influence on American consumers, rather American media is producing the product that their consumers want. The influence is basically reversed.
  - pixxel 3y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37764870 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37764870
- mock-possum 3y ago
  As an insider I genuinely cannot tell whether this is a sarcastic comment But from where I’m standing, only one party is committed to cutting off its nose to spite its face… and it’s not the Dems.
  - spiderfarmer 3y ago
    As an outsider it seems to me one half wants to burn books, regulate love and curb compassion, the other wants to improve education, regulate hate and promote compassion. It’s pretty easy which side to choose.
monlockandkey 3y ago
Which half are you talking about :D The reason for the two alternate realities in the same country is primarily to do with what information you consume. As an exercise, go to the front page of Reddit everyday. You will almost always notice on the first page or the first few there are always posts on politics. And the vast majority of these posts are the "bad" takes/actions/scandals on rebuplicans/conservatives. If you go to r/conservative , you will see the "bad" takes/actions/scandals of the democrats/liberals. On Reddit the echo chamber for democrats is the entirety of Reddit except for a select few subs. The echo chamber for conservatives is in their own subreddits. On conservative websites this is the opposite. If one looks only at the Reddit front page, no doubt they would not like the republicans because it's a highlight of their low points. I.e a Reverse Instagram, post all the bad parts of your life. This is the issue. The two realities is from getting information about how "good" your side is and a feed about all the bad stuff from the other side. The reason why you think 50% of the population is like that is precisely because the information you have received about that side is their bad highlight reel. And they will equally think the other 50% of the aisle is brainwashed because of all they are viewing your bad highlight reel
- okeuro49 3y ago
  I think "upvote/downvote" mechanisms make the problem even worse, as nobody uses it in the supposedly correct way. The mechanism heavily contributes towards group-think, with any dissenting opinion being completely buried.
quesera 3y ago
Intentional, and weaponized, delusion of the masses is a pretty common condition in any adequately-large society. Usually, delusion in the form of institutional acceptance. Religion, nationalism, etc. Currently in the US, in the form of institutional rejection, which is equally dishonest, but considerably more messy.

okeuro49 3y ago

Also from an outsider, you're talking about the Democrats -- right?

seanmcdirmid 3y ago
Whatever you think about CNN or MSNBC, FoxNews is pretty over the top, it’s basically a tabloid at this point with many tabloid stories. I disagree with the premise however: it’s not that American media has so much influence on American consumers, rather American media is producing the product that their consumers want. The influence is basically reversed.
- pixxel 3y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37764870 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37764870
mock-possum 3y ago
As an insider I genuinely cannot tell whether this is a sarcastic comment But from where I’m standing, only one party is committed to cutting off its nose to spite its face… and it’s not the Dems.
- spiderfarmer 3y ago
  As an outsider it seems to me one half wants to burn books, regulate love and curb compassion, the other wants to improve education, regulate hate and promote compassion. It’s pretty easy which side to choose.

monlockandkey 3y ago

Which half are you talking about :D The reason for the two alternate realities in the same country is primarily to do with what information you consume. As an exercise, go to the front page of Reddit everyday. You will almost always notice on the first page or the first few there are always posts on politics. And the vast majority of these posts are the "bad" takes/actions/scandals on rebuplicans/conservatives. If you go to r/conservative , you will see the "bad" takes/actions/scandals of the democrats/liberals. On Reddit the echo chamber for democrats is the entirety of Reddit except for a select few subs. The echo chamber for conservatives is in their own subreddits. On conservative websites this is the opposite. If one looks only at the Reddit front page, no doubt they would not like the republicans because it's a highlight of their low points. I.e a Reverse Instagram, post all the bad parts of your life. This is the issue. The two realities is from getting information about how "good" your side is and a feed about all the bad stuff from the other side. The reason why you think 50% of the population is like that is precisely because the information you have received about that side is their bad highlight reel. And they will equally think the other 50% of the aisle is brainwashed because of all they are viewing your bad highlight reel

okeuro49 3y ago
I think "upvote/downvote" mechanisms make the problem even worse, as nobody uses it in the supposedly correct way. The mechanism heavily contributes towards group-think, with any dissenting opinion being completely buried.

quesera 3y ago

Intentional, and weaponized, delusion of the masses is a pretty common condition in any adequately-large society. Usually, delusion in the form of institutional acceptance. Religion, nationalism, etc. Currently in the US, in the form of institutional rejection, which is equally dishonest, but considerably more messy.