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I'll chime in. There's 4 things we call "crime" and the only thing they have in common is that the state sends in an agent to physically restrain you from doin
by IIAOPSW 3y ago
I'll chime in.
There's 4 things we call "crime" and the only thing they have in common is that the state sends in an agent to physically restrain you from doing it.
1) Rational crime. Someone looked at the payoff to getting away, the cost to getting caught, and the probability of each and concluded the expected payoff was positive.
2) Victimless crime.
3) Political crime. Crime where the point is to openly defy the law itself. From Rosa Parks sitting in front of the bus to the unknown man standing in front of the tank, we all know what this looks like.
4) Deranged crime. Actual anus-type personality disorder.
- gruez 3y agoWhere does "use illegal substances" and "illegally camp in a city park" fall in the above classification?
- throwaway837367 3y agoVictimless and rational.
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- eastof 3y ago> use illegal substances victimless crime on it's own > illegally camp in a city park rational crime, you want payoff of not sleeping in the rain and probability of being swept out of the area is unlikely depending on where you set up
- gruez 3y ago>victimless crime on it's own Seems reasonable for something like weed, but for "hard" drugs like meth there's clearly a negative externalitiy imposed on the community from your unstable behavior.
- tnorthcutt 3y agoYes, but perhaps the poster's point is that the drug use isn't the problem, it's the harmful behaviors of the person who is using the drugs. So perhaps their point is that the crime should be the harmful behaviors, not the drug use.
- dahfizz 3y agoVehicular manslaughter is already illegal, we should make drunk driving legal. Drinking and driving without crashing into anything is victimless.
- heavyset_go 3y agoThe equivalent would be banning all alcohol because sometimes people get drunk and do bad things.
- jojobas 3y agoYou chances of drinking alcohol responsibly for decades are way, way better than your changes on not becoming an unemployable wreck in mere years on meth or heroin.
- bdangubic 3y agoan amazing sentence which sounds like it is rooted in something vaguely factual while in reality there is nothing factual that can support this claim
- jojobas 3y agoThere's plenty to support this claim: consumption prevalence and disorder prevalence. Opiod users are vastly over-represented in all sort of statistics - addiction treatments, overdose deaths etc as compared with alcohol. 6% of alcohol drinkers are diagnosed with alcohol use disorder, the number exceeds 50% for meth users. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912a1.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912a1.htm
- coryrc 3y agoIf it's a rational crime, punishing it would lower the incidence rate?
- eru 3y agoDepends on people's time horizon / discounting rate?
- TaylorAlexander 3y agoThere is a humanity aspect to things. Sure maybe if you make the crime 10 years in prison the infraction rates will go way down, but also you are using the state to enact very harsh sentences on vulnerable people, which is inhumane, and moreover you are spending loads of money locking people up to solve a crime which arguably is harmless. You could as an alternative build supportive/subsidized housing so that the people sleeping on benches can get a real bed, and provide medical and mental health services and job training. In this case instead of spending all your money on buildings to house these people which take away their rights (prisons) you spend the money on supportive services which help the people get on their feet. You are still spending money, but one solves the root problem and the other solves only one specific crime.
- gitgud 3y ago“use illegal substances” is a victimless crime sometimes, other times it creates victims out of friends, family and the general public…
- hwillis 3y agosame as legal substances like alcohol.
- makeitdouble 3y agoIf we're pushing on how an individual's behavior affects their family and friend, we should expand to all the other situations it happens. For instance teens dieting to look thin to the point of getting eating disorders have an effect on their parents every day life, friends (who are also at risk of getting ropped in and follow the trend too), and the general public including the medical system. How much do you want to blame anorexic teens for that ?
- eru 3y agoSame for people getting fat. Or people getting into accidents.
- ric2b 3y agoAre crimes of opportunity rational crimes? What about rage/emotional violence? Is it a deranged crime?
- jahsome 3y agoHey bud, go easy. I've got a couple different anus-type diagnoses myself, and commit very few crimes.