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I would rather have a belief that the system will find the root causes of crime and take actions to fix them then believe the system will punish those who break

I would rather have a belief that the system will find the root causes of crime and take actions to fix them then believe the system will punish those who break the rules. Punishment causes damage to society beyond just the individual being punished. Criminals have jobs, families and relationships with people who haven't broken the law. Punishment should be used sparingly as the cost to all of society is high. I also believe we'd have lower crime if the massive budgets currently being used on police would be instead used to improve the health and welfare of high crime communities.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> would rather have a belief that the system will find the root causes of crime and take actions to fix them then believe the system will punish those who break the rules I thought similarly. But these are baked into our psyches. Jailing the drunk driver won’t bring back the dead child, but if you don’t do it there will be backlash. This sense is profound enough that we generally celebrate people who take justice into their own hands when they’re denied retribution through lawful channels. If I were to cite one common failure mode of the last decades’ criminal justice reform efforts (in America, but coast to coast) it’s in attempting to rationalise away our social need for retribution. The key is in recognising that every exercise of justice need not satisfy all three facets. A remorseful defendant need not be incapacitated. And a crime with no human victim need not seek retribution.
hiatus 3y ago
> I would rather have a belief that the system will find the root causes of crime and take actions to fix them then believe the system will punish those who break the rules. Punishment causes damage to society beyond just the individual being punished. In your belief it seems you discount the cost of "finding the root causes of crimes and taking actions to fix them" with the idea seeming to be that a greater good is achieved that way than through punishment. However, you fail to realize that there are very real costs to society for enabling this root cause analysis, to the detriment of our civil liberties. Every time you take off your shoes at the airport, you are being punished for someone else's crimes.
matkoniecz 3y ago
> I would rather have a belief that the system will find the root causes of crime and take actions to fix them then believe the system will punish those who break the rules. I prefer both

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> would rather have a belief that the system will find the root causes of crime and take actions to fix them then believe the system will punish those who break the rules I thought similarly. But these are baked into our psyches. Jailing the drunk driver won’t bring back the dead child, but if you don’t do it there will be backlash. This sense is profound enough that we generally celebrate people who take justice into their own hands when they’re denied retribution through lawful channels. If I were to cite one common failure mode of the last decades’ criminal justice reform efforts (in America, but coast to coast) it’s in attempting to rationalise away our social need for retribution. The key is in recognising that every exercise of justice need not satisfy all three facets. A remorseful defendant need not be incapacitated. And a crime with no human victim need not seek retribution.

hiatus 3y ago

> I would rather have a belief that the system will find the root causes of crime and take actions to fix them then believe the system will punish those who break the rules. Punishment causes damage to society beyond just the individual being punished. In your belief it seems you discount the cost of "finding the root causes of crimes and taking actions to fix them" with the idea seeming to be that a greater good is achieved that way than through punishment. However, you fail to realize that there are very real costs to society for enabling this root cause analysis, to the detriment of our civil liberties. Every time you take off your shoes at the airport, you are being punished for someone else's crimes.

matkoniecz 3y ago

> I would rather have a belief that the system will find the root causes of crime and take actions to fix them then believe the system will punish those who break the rules. I prefer both