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https://doesipfshaveablockchain.com/ https://doesipfshaveablockchain.com/

by mburns 3y ago

Dylan16807 3y ago
That's a pretty elaborate website just to say one word that's wrong. The IPFS blockchain is called filecoin. You don't have to use filecoin to use IPFS, but it's all tied together.
- mburns 3y ago
  It is not. IPFS exists entirely independently from Filecoin. There is no blockchain. Full stop. That Filecoin uses some common tech with ipfs like libp2p and cids doesn’t change that. If/when filecoin disappeared, ipfs would keep working exactly the same. Because ipfs does not have (or use or depends on) a blockchain.
  - Dylan16807 3y ago
    IPFS doesn't build on top of a block chain, but it has a blockchain. It's not just common tech, it's made by the same people. It's not independent. Full stop. And even if the question was "Does IPFS use/depend on a blockchain?", the appropriate answer would be "no*" or "no, but" and then something that mentions filecoin. Let me put it in another context, would you say Brave has a blockchain? I'd definitely say it does.
    - mburns 3y ago
      Plenty of blockchains—Filecoin included—use some amalgamation of IPFS, but the reverse isn’t true. Heck, even Bluesky uses some IPFS tech. Does that mean it has a blockchain? Of course not. > Let me put it in another context, would you say Brave has a blockchain? I'd definitely say it does. I don’t use Brave, but from a cursory glance I think probably yes, it “uses/depends on” a blockchain for some functionality. https://brave.com/1.39-release/ https://brave.com/1.39-release/ Can you show an example where that is the case for IPFS?
      - Dylan16807 3y ago
        > Plenty of blockchains—Filecoin included—use some amalgamation of IPFS, but the reverse isn’t true. But one of them is directly tied to it. > I don’t use Brave, but from a cursory glance I think probably yes, it “uses/depends on” a blockchain for some functionality. It's just a web page, the actual browser functionality doesn't depend on it. But maybe it wasn't the best example.
- gkbrk 3y ago
  IPFS is a network protocol, and various parts of it have multiple inter-operating implementations. Can you show which part of the protocol has anything remotely close to a blockchain? If I am serving content via IPFS, or downloading content via IPFS, or writing my own IPFS implementation, where is the point where I end up using this blockchain that is tied together with IPFS?
  - Dylan16807 3y ago
    I didn't say it's directly part of the protocol. But it's part of the ecosystem, made by the same people concurrently. Go to the Filecoin Wikipedia page. See how it says made by Protocol Labs. Click Protocol Labs, see how it actually takes you to the IPFS page. That's how synonymous the protocol and the company are. So anything made by the IPFS company, designed to operate with the protocol? I think it's reasonable to say it's something IPFS "has". At the very least it's misleading to say "no" without a footnote about Filecoin.

https://doesipfshaveablockchain.com/ https://doesipfshaveablockchain.com/

by mburns 3y ago

https://doesipfshaveablockchain.com/ https://doesipfshaveablockchain.com/

That's a pretty elaborate website just to say one word that's wrong. The IPFS blockchain is called filecoin. You don't have to use filecoin to use IPFS, but it's all tied together.

mburns 3y ago
It is not. IPFS exists entirely independently from Filecoin. There is no blockchain. Full stop. That Filecoin uses some common tech with ipfs like libp2p and cids doesn’t change that. If/when filecoin disappeared, ipfs would keep working exactly the same. Because ipfs does not have (or use or depends on) a blockchain.
- Dylan16807 3y ago
  IPFS doesn't build on top of a block chain, but it has a blockchain. It's not just common tech, it's made by the same people. It's not independent. Full stop. And even if the question was "Does IPFS use/depend on a blockchain?", the appropriate answer would be "no*" or "no, but" and then something that mentions filecoin. Let me put it in another context, would you say Brave has a blockchain? I'd definitely say it does.
  - mburns 3y ago
    Plenty of blockchains—Filecoin included—use some amalgamation of IPFS, but the reverse isn’t true. Heck, even Bluesky uses some IPFS tech. Does that mean it has a blockchain? Of course not. > Let me put it in another context, would you say Brave has a blockchain? I'd definitely say it does. I don’t use Brave, but from a cursory glance I think probably yes, it “uses/depends on” a blockchain for some functionality. https://brave.com/1.39-release/ https://brave.com/1.39-release/ Can you show an example where that is the case for IPFS?
    - Dylan16807 3y ago
      > Plenty of blockchains—Filecoin included—use some amalgamation of IPFS, but the reverse isn’t true. But one of them is directly tied to it. > I don’t use Brave, but from a cursory glance I think probably yes, it “uses/depends on” a blockchain for some functionality. It's just a web page, the actual browser functionality doesn't depend on it. But maybe it wasn't the best example.
gkbrk 3y ago
IPFS is a network protocol, and various parts of it have multiple inter-operating implementations. Can you show which part of the protocol has anything remotely close to a blockchain? If I am serving content via IPFS, or downloading content via IPFS, or writing my own IPFS implementation, where is the point where I end up using this blockchain that is tied together with IPFS?
- Dylan16807 3y ago
  I didn't say it's directly part of the protocol. But it's part of the ecosystem, made by the same people concurrently. Go to the Filecoin Wikipedia page. See how it says made by Protocol Labs. Click Protocol Labs, see how it actually takes you to the IPFS page. That's how synonymous the protocol and the company are. So anything made by the IPFS company, designed to operate with the protocol? I think it's reasonable to say it's something IPFS "has". At the very least it's misleading to say "no" without a footnote about Filecoin.