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Cos people don't want to talk about it because it would mean admitting these sanctions don't really work as intended. Within another 3 months we might have mai

Cos people don't want to talk about it because it would mean admitting these sanctions don't really work as intended. Within another 3 months we might have mainstream media finally admit that Azerbaijan and/or Turkey are reexporting large quantities of Russian gas for the foreseeable future.

toomuchtodo 3y ago
If the sanctions don't work as intended, do we move on to military strikes on petroleum infra?
- willcipriano 3y ago
  Yeah, you can be the first out of the plane, or is that "we" working really hard there?
  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    Would writing a check to Ukraine for military drone hardware count [1] [2]? I feel like jumping out of a plane is a very simple, inefficient idea of a path to success here, especially considering what qualifies as force projection today. Not asking for anyone's boots on the ground if that was what your question referred to. Also not an armchair warmonger, just exhausting watching the unnecessary suffering continue [3] [4] due to an aging megalomaniac. [1] https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/ukraines-drone-strikes-are-a-window-into-the-future-of-warfare/ https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/ukrain... [2] https://www.ukrainianworldcongress.org/united24/ https://www.ukrainianworldcongress.org/united24/ [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrain... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Russian_inva... (four of my siblings have served multiple tours of duty in various branches of service; I rely on them for subject matter expertise in this domain)
    - vasac 3y ago
      > Also not an armchair warmonger... You could have fooled me.
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- coffinbirth 3y ago
  You (the USA) already did that by destroying the Nordstream pipelines. By doing so, you are responsible for the destruction of a huge amount of wealth in Europe, especially Germany. The US will have to pay for this, I'm certain! Funny, haven't you realized yet that the US has already lost the proxy war against Russia? If you're easy with conducting 'military strikes on infrastructure' of another country, then 'military strikes' against your country's infrastructure should also be conducted in return. And please don't complain, it is after all a legitimate means of foreign policy in your (US-centric) view.
  - GenerWork 3y ago
    >The US will have to pay for this Germany (and Europe as a whole) is paying for this in the form of LNG imports from the US and the UAE.
  - nradov 3y ago
    It's not clear who actually destroyed the Nord Stream pipelines. There is significant circumstantial evidence of Ukrainian involvement. But we may never know for sure. https://www.wsj.com/articles/fresh-leads-point-to-poland-as-hub-for-nord-stream-sabotage-bf35ee3e https://www.wsj.com/articles/fresh-leads-point-to-poland-as-... In any case, why would the US have to pay? It's not like anyone else has the power to extract a payment. In fact, for now the US is the country getting paid in the form of increased natural gas exports.
    - coffinbirth 3y ago
      Do you really think that Ukraine destroys the pipelines without US-approval? Ukraine basically runs a 100% on US taxpayer money, additionally Germany is one of the most important providers of military aid to Ukraine, why the hell would they risk everything for little to no gain at all? This doesn't make sense. On the other side, POTUS openly said: "If Russia invades, that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine again, there will no longer be a Nord Stream 2.". The US will have to pay twofolds, financially and morally. As Larry Johnson said: 'What has happened in Ukraine in the last 19 months — over 500,000 dead Ukrainians. What we’re talking about is something that is off the charts. There’s going to be blood on American hands. If there is such a thing as Karma, the US will have a terrible bill to pay."
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toomuchtodo 3y ago

If the sanctions don't work as intended, do we move on to military strikes on petroleum infra?

willcipriano 3y ago
Yeah, you can be the first out of the plane, or is that "we" working really hard there?
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  Would writing a check to Ukraine for military drone hardware count [1] [2]? I feel like jumping out of a plane is a very simple, inefficient idea of a path to success here, especially considering what qualifies as force projection today. Not asking for anyone's boots on the ground if that was what your question referred to. Also not an armchair warmonger, just exhausting watching the unnecessary suffering continue [3] [4] due to an aging megalomaniac. [1] https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/ukraines-drone-strikes-are-a-window-into-the-future-of-warfare/ https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/ukrain... [2] https://www.ukrainianworldcongress.org/united24/ https://www.ukrainianworldcongress.org/united24/ [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrain... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Russian_inva... (four of my siblings have served multiple tours of duty in various branches of service; I rely on them for subject matter expertise in this domain)
  - vasac 3y ago
    > Also not an armchair warmonger... You could have fooled me.
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coffinbirth 3y ago
You (the USA) already did that by destroying the Nordstream pipelines. By doing so, you are responsible for the destruction of a huge amount of wealth in Europe, especially Germany. The US will have to pay for this, I'm certain! Funny, haven't you realized yet that the US has already lost the proxy war against Russia? If you're easy with conducting 'military strikes on infrastructure' of another country, then 'military strikes' against your country's infrastructure should also be conducted in return. And please don't complain, it is after all a legitimate means of foreign policy in your (US-centric) view.
- GenerWork 3y ago
  >The US will have to pay for this Germany (and Europe as a whole) is paying for this in the form of LNG imports from the US and the UAE.
- nradov 3y ago
  It's not clear who actually destroyed the Nord Stream pipelines. There is significant circumstantial evidence of Ukrainian involvement. But we may never know for sure. https://www.wsj.com/articles/fresh-leads-point-to-poland-as-hub-for-nord-stream-sabotage-bf35ee3e https://www.wsj.com/articles/fresh-leads-point-to-poland-as-... In any case, why would the US have to pay? It's not like anyone else has the power to extract a payment. In fact, for now the US is the country getting paid in the form of increased natural gas exports.
  - coffinbirth 3y ago
    Do you really think that Ukraine destroys the pipelines without US-approval? Ukraine basically runs a 100% on US taxpayer money, additionally Germany is one of the most important providers of military aid to Ukraine, why the hell would they risk everything for little to no gain at all? This doesn't make sense. On the other side, POTUS openly said: "If Russia invades, that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine again, there will no longer be a Nord Stream 2.". The US will have to pay twofolds, financially and morally. As Larry Johnson said: 'What has happened in Ukraine in the last 19 months — over 500,000 dead Ukrainians. What we’re talking about is something that is off the charts. There’s going to be blood on American hands. If there is such a thing as Karma, the US will have a terrible bill to pay."

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