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No 3.5mm plug? Not for me then. I never want to charge an extra device again. I also never want to find a pair of plugs that fit me, again. It is a mystery to

No 3.5mm plug? Not for me then. I never want to charge an extra device again. I also never want to find a pair of plugs that fit me, again. It is a mystery to me why this use case is apparently so unique that there is no market for me.

cooperadymas 3y ago
There is a market for you, but it's not a very big one. Sony in particular plays to this market, but you can see from their dwindling sales, that it's rather niche.
- bigstrat2003 3y ago
  Sony would probably have better luck if their phones weren't so incredibly expensive. As a fellow headphone jack requirer, I would love to buy a Sony phone. But I can't afford one.
  - Kirby64 3y ago
    If you can afford a Fairphone 5, it seems a Sony is within your budget. Sure, they make a $1600 phone, but they also make multiple phones that are much cheaper or similarly priced. Xperia 5 III (what a horrible name): $600 Xperia 10 V (again, terrible name): $400 Xperia 1 IV: $755 (same price as Fairphone) All 3 have headphone jacks.
    - bigstrat2003 3y ago
      I honestly have never seen a Sony phone which was less than $1000. Perhaps I just looked in the wrong places, but that's what my comment was based on. I agree that a phone costing $400-700 is not an unreasonably high price, but I just wasn't aware of the existence of the models you mentioned.
wilsonnb3 3y ago
Because you can use a USB c adapter if you still want to use wired headphones
- bigstrat2003 3y ago
  Which is an abjectly terrible solution. Dongles can be lost or forgotten, and you can't charge your phone while using one (a very big deal if your use case is to hook the phone to your car for a long drive).
  - stronglikedan 3y ago
    Why would you even disconnect your 2-in-1 dongle, that allows you to charge your phone while using the 3.5 mm jack, from your headphones wire to begin with? Or disconnect your second 2-in-1 dongle, which you got because they're extremely cheap, from your car adapter? I think it's a reasonably good solution for the relatively few people that still use a 3.5 mm jack.
    - monocasa 3y ago
      The audio jacks are normally on the top of the phone, the USB is normally on the bottom. Where my wife normally rests her phone doesn't allow USBC to be plugged in at the same time.
      - Kirby64 3y ago
        I assume GP is referring to 2-in-1 dongles that allow charging and audio out at the same time. You just leave the dongle in the car... and only plug in the USB-C. It handles audio out and charging at the same time, and is one less cable to plug in. It's better than plugging in USB-C and 3.5mm into your phone every time.
        monocasa 3y ago
        Right, so with the USBC on the bottom of the phone, it's blocked where she prefers to rest her phone.
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crazygringo 3y ago
It is a mystery why people hate tangled cords that also get caught on things? More than leaving your pods on a charging puck when you get home? Which takes zero additional effort since you have to put them down somewhere? Nobody's arguing with your preferences but it's a mystery to me how the convenience of wireless headphones is a mystery to you.
- bigstrat2003 3y ago
  I have no idea what people see in wireless headphones. I have never once gotten the wire tangled, caught on something, anything like that. From my perspective, wireless headphones are "solving" a non-existent problem, at the cost of additional headache (charging) and at a higher price. They are strictly worse than wired headphones for my usage.
  - crazygringo 3y ago
    Well good for you on being tangle-free! Not all of us are so lucky, sadly. I guess there must be a lot of us that companies are catering to our genuine needs. :)
  - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
    Headphone wires have caused me issue son packed subways before, with peoples accessories getting caught in them. Wireless is without a doubt more convenient.
- xorcist 3y ago
  I get that bit. It can be irritating. But so is having an extra item to charge. And the battery life gets constantly shorter. Lithium cells have limited life spans, they last maybe a couple of years and what do you do then? I can accept having to change phone every few years. Modern phones are somewhat disposable. But having to change headphones would be a real drag. They are something I put in my body! It took many years to finally settle on a pair I could be comfortable with which wouldn't fall out. And I'm not picky about sound quality. People who care about that must have it even worse. Sound signature is very personal. For better or worse, I buy headphones for life. I would love to buy more things for life, but phones are obviously impossible. But imagine having to change your wallet or something. You probably bought jackets or trousers based upon that shape. Maybe the comparison is a stretch, the point remains that I really don't want to buy new headphones. Ever.
jlkuester7 3y ago
I also am a big fan of the dedicated 3.5mm! That being said, it is definitely true that I am running out of situations where I can actually use that port on my device... sigh
- sambazi 3y ago
  i tend to use it every time i don't want to fiddle with bluetooth
abdullahkhalids 3y ago
The other audio problem with the Fairphone 4 is that it ranks quite low on audio tests [1]. It has playback/recording scores of about ~90, while mainstream manufacturers have cheaper phones with scores of 130+. [1] https://www.dxomark.com/fairphone-4-audio-test/ https://www.dxomark.com/fairphone-4-audio-test/

cooperadymas 3y ago

There is a market for you, but it's not a very big one. Sony in particular plays to this market, but you can see from their dwindling sales, that it's rather niche.

bigstrat2003 3y ago
Sony would probably have better luck if their phones weren't so incredibly expensive. As a fellow headphone jack requirer, I would love to buy a Sony phone. But I can't afford one.
- Kirby64 3y ago
  If you can afford a Fairphone 5, it seems a Sony is within your budget. Sure, they make a $1600 phone, but they also make multiple phones that are much cheaper or similarly priced. Xperia 5 III (what a horrible name): $600 Xperia 10 V (again, terrible name): $400 Xperia 1 IV: $755 (same price as Fairphone) All 3 have headphone jacks.
  - bigstrat2003 3y ago
    I honestly have never seen a Sony phone which was less than $1000. Perhaps I just looked in the wrong places, but that's what my comment was based on. I agree that a phone costing $400-700 is not an unreasonably high price, but I just wasn't aware of the existence of the models you mentioned.

wilsonnb3 3y ago

Because you can use a USB c adapter if you still want to use wired headphones

bigstrat2003 3y ago
Which is an abjectly terrible solution. Dongles can be lost or forgotten, and you can't charge your phone while using one (a very big deal if your use case is to hook the phone to your car for a long drive).
- stronglikedan 3y ago
  Why would you even disconnect your 2-in-1 dongle, that allows you to charge your phone while using the 3.5 mm jack, from your headphones wire to begin with? Or disconnect your second 2-in-1 dongle, which you got because they're extremely cheap, from your car adapter? I think it's a reasonably good solution for the relatively few people that still use a 3.5 mm jack.
  - monocasa 3y ago
    The audio jacks are normally on the top of the phone, the USB is normally on the bottom. Where my wife normally rests her phone doesn't allow USBC to be plugged in at the same time.
    - Kirby64 3y ago
      I assume GP is referring to 2-in-1 dongles that allow charging and audio out at the same time. You just leave the dongle in the car... and only plug in the USB-C. It handles audio out and charging at the same time, and is one less cable to plug in. It's better than plugging in USB-C and 3.5mm into your phone every time.
      - monocasa 3y ago
        Right, so with the USBC on the bottom of the phone, it's blocked where she prefers to rest her phone.

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crazygringo 3y ago

It is a mystery why people hate tangled cords that also get caught on things? More than leaving your pods on a charging puck when you get home? Which takes zero additional effort since you have to put them down somewhere? Nobody's arguing with your preferences but it's a mystery to me how the convenience of wireless headphones is a mystery to you.

bigstrat2003 3y ago
I have no idea what people see in wireless headphones. I have never once gotten the wire tangled, caught on something, anything like that. From my perspective, wireless headphones are "solving" a non-existent problem, at the cost of additional headache (charging) and at a higher price. They are strictly worse than wired headphones for my usage.
- crazygringo 3y ago
  Well good for you on being tangle-free! Not all of us are so lucky, sadly. I guess there must be a lot of us that companies are catering to our genuine needs. :)
- PrimeMcFly 3y ago
  Headphone wires have caused me issue son packed subways before, with peoples accessories getting caught in them. Wireless is without a doubt more convenient.
xorcist 3y ago
I get that bit. It can be irritating. But so is having an extra item to charge. And the battery life gets constantly shorter. Lithium cells have limited life spans, they last maybe a couple of years and what do you do then? I can accept having to change phone every few years. Modern phones are somewhat disposable. But having to change headphones would be a real drag. They are something I put in my body! It took many years to finally settle on a pair I could be comfortable with which wouldn't fall out. And I'm not picky about sound quality. People who care about that must have it even worse. Sound signature is very personal. For better or worse, I buy headphones for life. I would love to buy more things for life, but phones are obviously impossible. But imagine having to change your wallet or something. You probably bought jackets or trousers based upon that shape. Maybe the comparison is a stretch, the point remains that I really don't want to buy new headphones. Ever.

jlkuester7 3y ago

I also am a big fan of the dedicated 3.5mm! That being said, it is definitely true that I am running out of situations where I can actually use that port on my device... sigh

sambazi 3y ago
i tend to use it every time i don't want to fiddle with bluetooth

abdullahkhalids 3y ago

The other audio problem with the Fairphone 4 is that it ranks quite low on audio tests [1]. It has playback/recording scores of about ~90, while mainstream manufacturers have cheaper phones with scores of 130+. [1] https://www.dxomark.com/fairphone-4-audio-test/ https://www.dxomark.com/fairphone-4-audio-test/