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nothing is stopping others from selling "Framework-compatible parts", the CAD for all bays, expansion bays, etc. are open source https://github.com/FrameworkCom

by moelf 3y ago

nothing is stopping others from selling "Framework-compatible parts", the CAD for all bays, expansion bays, etc. are open source https://github.com/FrameworkComputer https://github.com/FrameworkComputer

pipo234 3y ago
Permission is one. (A pretty important one, at that.) A second is funding, the prospect of becoming profitable. This hurdle, Framework seems to have taken (for now), but it also seems to be stopping competitors (for now). Would be great if something grew from hobbyist / enthusiasts.
- Moto7451 3y ago
  Can you elaborate on the permission comment? The designs in their github allow commercial use with attribution. They even link to a Google form for submitting your product to their marketplace. Is there a submarine restriction somewhere?
  - pipo234 3y ago
    Ehrm. Yes, there is permission. I did not say it imply that there is a restriction there, or did I?! Just meant that so far, the permission has not led to a thriving ecosystem. So beyond permission there must be factors. Like access to money. Not at all frameworks fault, of course. I was trying to argue from perspective of potential competitor what would be holding them back.
    - Dylan16807 3y ago
      > Ehrm. Yes, there is permission. I did not say it imply that there is a restriction there, or did I?! Yes, you definitely did. You replied "Permission is one." to "Nothing is stopping".
      - repelsteeltje 3y ago
        I think he meant it like "okay, yes, permission is one... but also consider..." That's how I read it first time.
    - tlhunter 3y ago
      Once enough people buy frameworks you'll be able to find cheap Chinese components on Amazon.
- delfinom 3y ago
  >Would be great if something grew from hobbyist / enthusiasts. Making PCBs to support modern x86 and even high-end ARM CPUs with DDR5 RAM and also PCI-express is beyond the skillset of a vast majority of hobbyist and enthusiasts. It gets so so far up the creek of high frequency signal engineering under electrical engineering. It's not impossible, just very time consuming and costly (between equipment required for testing and PCB manufacturing). But yea all the other stuff in a framework could get hobbyists and enthusiasts making their own elements like the expansion cards and keyboard significantly more easily if there was a need for it.
  - jdsully 3y ago
    I did a DDR3 layout, sure there's a lot to think about if you want it to work in extreme temperatures or with lots of EMI. But for hobbyist use its essentially get the right trace width for the PCB material using an online impedance calculator, and then length match and match the count of vias for all your traces of the same bus and don't exceed the length restrictions. Don't forget to have a good ground plane. This will work 99% of the time. Its time consuming and annoying but not rocket science.
- wierd-eye-loser 3y ago
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by moelf 3y ago

pipo234 3y ago

Permission is one. (A pretty important one, at that.) A second is funding, the prospect of becoming profitable. This hurdle, Framework seems to have taken (for now), but it also seems to be stopping competitors (for now). Would be great if something grew from hobbyist / enthusiasts.

Moto7451 3y ago
Can you elaborate on the permission comment? The designs in their github allow commercial use with attribution. They even link to a Google form for submitting your product to their marketplace. Is there a submarine restriction somewhere?
- pipo234 3y ago
  Ehrm. Yes, there is permission. I did not say it imply that there is a restriction there, or did I?! Just meant that so far, the permission has not led to a thriving ecosystem. So beyond permission there must be factors. Like access to money. Not at all frameworks fault, of course. I was trying to argue from perspective of potential competitor what would be holding them back.
  - Dylan16807 3y ago
    > Ehrm. Yes, there is permission. I did not say it imply that there is a restriction there, or did I?! Yes, you definitely did. You replied "Permission is one." to "Nothing is stopping".
    - repelsteeltje 3y ago
      I think he meant it like "okay, yes, permission is one... but also consider..." That's how I read it first time.
  - tlhunter 3y ago
    Once enough people buy frameworks you'll be able to find cheap Chinese components on Amazon.
delfinom 3y ago
>Would be great if something grew from hobbyist / enthusiasts. Making PCBs to support modern x86 and even high-end ARM CPUs with DDR5 RAM and also PCI-express is beyond the skillset of a vast majority of hobbyist and enthusiasts. It gets so so far up the creek of high frequency signal engineering under electrical engineering. It's not impossible, just very time consuming and costly (between equipment required for testing and PCB manufacturing). But yea all the other stuff in a framework could get hobbyists and enthusiasts making their own elements like the expansion cards and keyboard significantly more easily if there was a need for it.
- jdsully 3y ago
  I did a DDR3 layout, sure there's a lot to think about if you want it to work in extreme temperatures or with lots of EMI. But for hobbyist use its essentially get the right trace width for the PCB material using an online impedance calculator, and then length match and match the count of vias for all your traces of the same bus and don't exceed the length restrictions. Don't forget to have a good ground plane. This will work 99% of the time. Its time consuming and annoying but not rocket science.
wierd-eye-loser 3y ago
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