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Anti-Piracy Group Takes AI Training Dataset 'Books3′ Offline
- YeGoblynQueenne 3y agoNote well: https://twitter.com/theshawwn/status/1320282155457646592 https://twitter.com/theshawwn/status/1320282155457646592 Might it be that a frank conversation between adults is what is needed instead of puerile posturing?
- boomboomsubban 3y agoFrom their site >We are and always have been DMCA compliant, this is our official policy. https://the-eye.eu/dmca.html https://the-eye.eu/dmca.html However we're often hounded by false claimants to which this(mp4 the Twitter post links to) is our unofficial policy, popularised as a meme in our community that time a church tried to sue us for $22,000,000.
- YeGoblynQueenne 3y agoYes, but the tweet links directly to that video calling it the "DMCA policy" of the-eye.eu. My comment is about the tweet.
- boomboomsubban 3y agoSo you decided to critique a three year old joke in a long technical twitter thread? Ok.
- YeGoblynQueenne 3y agoIs that something you disapprove of?
- boomboomsubban 3y agoYou're basically saying at no point can they ever make a joke, so yes.
- YeGoblynQueenne 3y agoCan you show me where I say that?
- boomboomsubban 3y ago>Note well...Might it be that a frank conversation between adults is what is needed instead of puerile posturing? If you're criticizing them for making a dumb joke years before there was any problem, when can they make a dumb joke? As the rest of the thread seems like a frank conversation between adults, as does their interview in the article.
- YeGoblynQueenne 3y agoI'm sorry, my previous comment was likely confusing. I was asking where was it that I said that "at no point can they ever make a joke" as you said I did. Can you please point me to the text of my comment where I say that? Thanks!
- boomboomsubban 3y agoI already quoted it, and explained why it is saying that.
- YeGoblynQueenne 3y agoBut it isn't. I have said nothing of the sort you say I said. Surely you must be able to see that, no?
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- justinclift 3y agohttps://nitter.net/theshawwn/status/1320282155457646592 https://nitter.net/theshawwn/status/1320282155457646592
- artninja1988 3y agoHope someone hosts it can't be taken down by imaginary "property" DMCA requests
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- h0p3 3y agoOkay, comrade. `/salute`. It is discoverable over filesharing networks designed for the job.
- spandextwins 3y agoNow that it’s already been used for training they don’t want it hanging around?
- delecti 3y agoThis seems like the inevitable outcome. Hosting pirated media for any purpose is going to draw moneyed attention, and doing so for a purpose as controversial as AI training doesn't help. Multiple authors I follow have expressed their disapproval of their works being included in that dataset.
- toomuchtodo 3y agoThere are enormous digital libraries being used for training where authors will have no recourse in preventing this from happening. To continue, those performing model generation just have to either avoid certain jurisdictions or not announce what they're doing. I am not unsympathetic to author feelings on the topic, but regulation in this regard moving faster than bits and compute will be challenging to say the least. For these small dataset amounts currently discussed (<1PB), the cost to geographically relocate is obviously trivial. TLDR Model training will go "dark" or underground, with models distributed like illicit content.
- artninja1988 3y agoI mean the pile, which books3 is only a subset of, is only about 850GB big. Raw text doesn't take up much space at all
- truckerbill 3y agogot a mirror?
- justinclift 3y agoThis seems like it? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37386478 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37386478
- crtasm 3y agoOr this direct download linked on the same thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37386854 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37386854
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- crtasm 3y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37379297 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37379297 The Battle over Books3 122 points | 29 days ago | 130 comments
- SirMaster 3y agoLooks like you can get books3 and other stuff here: https://www.thenose.cc/wiki/Overview https://www.thenose.cc/wiki/Overview
- artninja1988 3y agoGood man
- gglon 3y agoAlso magnet for the pile works well: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:0d366035664fdf51cfbe9f733953ba325776e667
- WithinReason 3y agoWhich also includes "literally all of github" in a 106GB file
- nektro 3y agoAnti-Piracy: bad Group Takes AI Training Dataset: good good good
- wolverine876 3y agoUsing the term 'anti-piracy' makes the speaker a shill for 'pro-censorhip' or 'anti-knowledge' or 'elitist' or whatever groups. Look at the effectiveness of well-crafted public communications: The people you don't like are 'pirates' - criminals; threats to order; dangerous to civilians; wild, drunken and low status. And 'our' side is against piracy! We need neutral terminology for both sides. Even 'intellectual property' tries to transform a time-limited monopolistic license from government for intangible goods into eternal real estate. Any ideas?
- nonrandomstring 3y agoThis is a really good question. Can language be de-weaponised? Wittgenstein and Marcuse thought not - that words stand in as tools of intent. It is our hostile times that make weapons of words. But it's frustrating because neutral prose is hard to reach. We seem in an age where it's hard to say anything succinctly, in a fashion that will pique the wretched attention span of the ordinary reader, that isn't either drenched in political bias or ungainly. I think the media industry absolutely embarrassed themselves by misappropriating the word "piracy". Even after 30 years it still jars as awful, childish cringe. When I see a grown man in a suit talking of "piracy" I can't help but see a pitiful clown before me. But one cannot police other's language. They must be allowed to make themselves known through the words they choose.
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- fragmede 3y agoWords can be reclaimed by social movements and used neutrally or positively instead of negatively within them. "Gay" used to be a slur, as did "slut", and language is culturally dependent on top of that - I'm lead to believe that "cunt" is a generic reference to another person in Australia, while it's not a particular term of affectation in the US. So it depends on the circles you run in. "Pirate" is villianized if you're in the shipping business due to actual piracy, but if your morals are a bit flexible, paying $100/month to have all the streaming services is definitively a choice; the word "piracy" just brings to mind that person's preferred torrent site, and is seen on the same level as breaking the speed limit on the highway.
- awestroke 3y agoNow it will be mirrored 1000x more due to the Streisand effect. Good job I guess?
- ttt3ts 3y agoIt is part of the pile. So, ya don't know why this matters. You can easily get it. Also, dupe, also old https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37154633 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37154633
- achrono 3y ago"Is this the right thing to have done or not?" is an important question obviously but the more impactful question for our times is: "is the right thing being done consistently?" So, why is similar action not being taken against the actual big offenders -- Google, OpenAI, rest of big-tech?
- Kim_Bruning 3y agoSo they "burned" down a collection of books larger than the old Library of Alexandria of yore, specifically to deny scientists the ability to progress the art of AI. Are we sure that copyright is really still suitable for purpose when it comes to promoting the Progress of Science and useful Arts?
- jhonsamu 3y ago[flagged]