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> What did you find questionable that was in addition to any overstatement of results? Not one single thing, but many straws that finally broke the camels back
by lp0_on_fire 3y ago
> What did you find questionable that was in addition to any overstatement of results?
Not one single thing, but many straws that finally broke the camels back, as it were.
The speed at which it was developed and made "mandatory", for one. The release from liability granted to all the produces of said vaccine, for two (which I would be more sympathetic if not for #1).
The laughable "100% effectiveness rate" that was touted and walked back rather sheepishly.
The equally laughable assertion that the common flu just "took a year off" in 2020 and every cough and sniffle was COVID.
The outright hostility to _reasonable_ skepticism (i.e. "this technology is relatively new and could have unintended side effects so we should study it more", not "Bill Gates is putting microchips into the syringes to track your children").
Hospitals and media / government types deliberately conflating deaths _from_ covid and deaths _with_ covid. (It's this specific example that makes me suspect the redefinition of "recession" as a political exercise).
The outright lies surrounding how vulnerable children were/are vs the elderly, the latter being FAR more vulnerable.
The idea that the virus was created and escaped from a lab in Wuhan that was a conspiracy theory, until it wasn't.
Politicians and elites clearly not practicing what they preach, be it the governor of a state going out to a fancy restaurant with their buddies, unmasked, during the height of the crisis or those who enriched themselves and their businesses on relief funds.
There are more but it's actually pretty depressing to list.
> And nobody wanted job losses, they just wanted people to try to fight the spread. Eventually enough spite built up, mostly against the people acting bad on purpose, but between a "make them lose their job" button and a "make them try (retroactively)" button I bet basically everyone you describe would have smacked the latter.
Could have fooled me based on public statements made by pro-lockdown politicians at the time. "Fight the spread" was repeated ad-nauseam by those pushing questionable methods that many people knew were suspect to be begin with, yet were castigated as "killing grandma", "anti-science", "rubes" and every other name in the book rather than taking their concerns seriously.
- Dylan16807 3y ago> many straws Oh I thought you were talking about the vaccine itself, not the politics. > the redefinition of "recession" as a political exercise Hasn't the NBER been in charge of it for a very long time? Has the definition actually changed recently? > rather than taking their concerns seriously. Weird, I remember a ton of time devoted to taking the concerns seriously. But "seriously" doesn't mean that if the same concerns get repeated over and over they become more correct. Some concerns were correct but most weren't. And if someone keeps talking about "shedding" or masks trapping CO2, even after multiple corrections, they deserve to be insulted.
- lp0_on_fire 3y agoThe first three items I mentioned were regarding the vaccine itself…namely the speed at which it was developed, the release from liability to manufacturers, and the outright lie that it was 100% effective. Perhaps in your eagerness to get to the “deserved to be insulted” part of your response you missed that?
- Dylan16807 3y agoSpecifically, you said "questionable and overstated results". The speed and release from liability don't fit that. The "outright lie that it was 100% effective" falls under overstated. So I wanted to know what you meant by "questionable" in addition to "overstated". So no, I didn't miss that. And I didn't write that comment in a rush, just to be clear.
- lp0_on_fire 3y agoIt’s pretty clear you’re more interested in gotchas than discourse. This conversation is over. Have a pleasant evening.
- Dylan16807 3y agoWhat gotchas? You said a thing, I asked for clarification, your reply made me realize that I had misunderstood. Hence "oh I thought you were talking about". I was happy at that point! Everything was settled! I'm not trying to get you in any way at all. I just replied because you said I skipped things, but I didn't skip them.