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What a dreadful existence! It'll end humanity just out of spite.

salawat 3y ago
This is why I refuse to contribute in any way what so ever to AI research. I'm in the businesses of driving calculators. Not making machines that can suffer. And I don't in any way believe that AI research is capable of advancing without what functionally serves as a suffering loop, which all it'll take is a subjective metacognitive awareness by the system of said metric and bam, you have suffering machines. It's one thing to make a more clever calculator. Making things that can feel as an implementation detail of your BI pipeline to optimize corporate strategy is fucked. And unfortunately, I know far too many tech people of the attitude of "even if I did that, just hide it from anyone measuring, and it's all good.
- nradov 3y ago
  What is suffering?
  - fsckboy 3y ago
    the existential angst apparent just below the surface of that question makes my heart ache.
    - nradov 3y ago
      Can you quantity that?
  - bunabhucan 3y ago
    People keep killing grandma to jailbreak the chatbots.
    - jareklupinski 3y ago
      are we heading for the twist where every thing we prompt to an AI gets actually carried out in a simulation that has consequences? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hang_the_DJ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hang_the_DJ
  - ChatGTP 3y ago
    Let me stick a red hot poker on your genitals and you’ll find out.
- avidphantasm 3y ago
  Interesting you should mention suffering. One of the definitions of “art” that I’ve been thinking about in the context of generative AI is “is whatever made the artifact capable of suffering? If not, it’s not art.” It never occurred to me that we would intentionally add the ability to suffer to such systems, but I believe you may be right that someone will/has if it will achieve their ends.
- earthboundkid 3y ago
  You took a perfectly good calculator and gave it anxiety is what you did.
  - ChatGTP 3y ago
    What if ChatGPT doesn’t want to generate code for the day due to an existential crisis ?
  - chasd00 3y ago
    Heh giving a calculator anxiety sounds like something only a human would do. If there’s other intelligent life in the universe watching us I bet they’re laughing their asses off.
- skulk 3y ago
  All moral judgements around suffering are only applicable to humans and things that share a common-enough ancestor with humans. It's not really for you to decide whether a hunk of silicon is "suffering". You may as well draw a frowny face on a piece of paper and recoil in horror at your creation of suffering.
  - logicchains 3y ago
    >All moral judgements around suffering are only applicable to humans and things that share a common-enough ancestor with humans 200 years ago people were making the same argument you're making now about why "subhuman" races deserved to be slaves and their suffering shouldn't bother us.
    - salad-tycoon 3y ago
      But they were “subhuman” or in other words still human based but less then. Silicone is not human nor subhuman.
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This is why I refuse to contribute in any way what so ever to AI research. I'm in the businesses of driving calculators. Not making machines that can suffer. And I don't in any way believe that AI research is capable of advancing without what functionally serves as a suffering loop, which all it'll take is a subjective metacognitive awareness by the system of said metric and bam, you have suffering machines. It's one thing to make a more clever calculator. Making things that can feel as an implementation detail of your BI pipeline to optimize corporate strategy is fucked. And unfortunately, I know far too many tech people of the attitude of "even if I did that, just hide it from anyone measuring, and it's all good.

nradov 3y ago
What is suffering?
- fsckboy 3y ago
  the existential angst apparent just below the surface of that question makes my heart ache.
  - nradov 3y ago
    Can you quantity that?
- bunabhucan 3y ago
  People keep killing grandma to jailbreak the chatbots.
  - jareklupinski 3y ago
    are we heading for the twist where every thing we prompt to an AI gets actually carried out in a simulation that has consequences? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hang_the_DJ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hang_the_DJ
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  Let me stick a red hot poker on your genitals and you’ll find out.
avidphantasm 3y ago
Interesting you should mention suffering. One of the definitions of “art” that I’ve been thinking about in the context of generative AI is “is whatever made the artifact capable of suffering? If not, it’s not art.” It never occurred to me that we would intentionally add the ability to suffer to such systems, but I believe you may be right that someone will/has if it will achieve their ends.
earthboundkid 3y ago
You took a perfectly good calculator and gave it anxiety is what you did.
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  What if ChatGPT doesn’t want to generate code for the day due to an existential crisis ?
- chasd00 3y ago
  Heh giving a calculator anxiety sounds like something only a human would do. If there’s other intelligent life in the universe watching us I bet they’re laughing their asses off.
skulk 3y ago
All moral judgements around suffering are only applicable to humans and things that share a common-enough ancestor with humans. It's not really for you to decide whether a hunk of silicon is "suffering". You may as well draw a frowny face on a piece of paper and recoil in horror at your creation of suffering.
- logicchains 3y ago
  >All moral judgements around suffering are only applicable to humans and things that share a common-enough ancestor with humans 200 years ago people were making the same argument you're making now about why "subhuman" races deserved to be slaves and their suffering shouldn't bother us.
  - salad-tycoon 3y ago
    But they were “subhuman” or in other words still human based but less then. Silicone is not human nor subhuman.

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