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I don't think political advocacy belongs in an announcement of a Python version.
by Bostonian 3y ago
I don't think political advocacy belongs in an announcement of a Python version.
- stuckinhell 3y agoI agree, we should be allowed to have areas free of politics.
- istjohn 3y agoWhy? Everything is political.
- beepbooptheory 3y agoThose weathered by enough time and strife in this forum could predict this comment and ensuing thread a mile away after reading the announcement. After enough iterations, it all feels like a dance or ritual. Like watching birds mingle and bicker out your window. Just another day, the universe humming along. Things are as they should be :)
- CogitoCogito 3y agoIf you'd like to see another viewpoint (or no viewpoint) espoused, volunteer to help Python with their releases and you'll have a chance to provide input to their release process.
- uoaei 3y agoI don't think it's your authority to say what should or shouldn't belong in a release you have no contribution to!
- robertlagrant 3y agoPeople are allowed to think things, and say what they think. Just as you did.
- uoaei 3y agoSo then we're making this about freedom as the central moral aspect. Then what about the freedom of the Python maintainers to post what they want? Why the selective defense?
- robertlagrant 3y agoFalse equivalency. The equivalent would be someone commenting saying they shouldn't publish release notes because of Reasons, and I would defend their right to publish release notes.
- uoaei 3y agoThat's quite the reach. Morals are more general than that. This isn't high school debate club.
- robertlagrant 3y ago> That's quite the reach. Unexplained claim about what's being reached for. > Morals are more general than that. Yes, obviously. How does this apply to what I said? > This isn't high school debate club. Okay?
- uoaei 3y agoYour interpretation of "equivalency" is hard to understand in any context except one which seeks to limit the disagreement to an extremely narrow "debate" that just so happens to validate the ideology implied by your selective defense. My response is to point out that your narrowing of the space of dicussion is not only noticed but acknowledged and explicitly challenged. In a conversation about morals this framing of yours is inappropriate and counterproductive. It is notable that you responded in the way you did, implying you're trying to keep this tactic subversive rather than explicitly acknowledging it. Classic move in rhetoric, to be sure. You're acting like a smarmy high schooler who thinks they're good at reasoning because they're good at "debate". Clear?
- rmbyrro 3y agoCareful not to fall into a fallacious argument... https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
- wsve 3y agoThat's not what "authority" meant in the above comment...
- qsort 3y agoI despise random politics injections as well, but this is rather tame and very much in line with the ironic spirit of how Python release notes are written. I don't think it's offensive to anybody who doesn't go out of their way to become offended by things.
- moduspol 3y agoWould you feel the same way if it were a cutesy poem supporting an opposing view?
- earthboundkid 3y agoPeople regularly say pro-Ukraine things that are anti-pacifist. Whatever, I understand that most people are not pacifists.
- MC68328 3y agoThat's a meaningless question, because I would never be using software from people promoting the opposing view. You're all free to stop using Python.
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- burkaman 3y agoWell it already is. You get to pick which direction you agree with.
- teddyh 3y ago> You get to pick which direction you agree with. One of the two opinions, which are all that exists. All reasonable people have the one opinion, and all other people are all idiots who all have the other opinion.
- moduspol 3y agoIf you think both directions are comparable to actual perspectives people have, then it's already clear which perspective is yours.
- inglor_cz 3y agoFor people who downvote Bostonian for his comment, how would you like it if that announcement, say, contained an abortion-related proclamation that you don't agree with? "Share our food, Share our homes and Share our countries" is quite a big demand on everyone else. I am certainly not willing to do so without limit and without regard to context (e.g. the Muslim gang war that flared up in Sweden).
- gaazoh 3y ago> how would you like it if that announcement, say, contained an abortion-related proclamation that you don't agree with? "If they said something else wouldn't you feel different?" A key insight is that the poem doesn't contain an abortion-related proclamation that you don't agree with.
- renewiltord 3y agoBrotherman, behold the wonder that is the sqlite code of ethics https://sqlite.org/codeofethics.html https://sqlite.org/codeofethics.html Or Terry Davis of Losethos/TempleOS fame https://streamable.com/ty65k https://streamable.com/ty65k And you know what? Most people are kinda chill about that. Perhaps there's a reason the anti-abortion guy isn't releasing Python.
- itsoktocry 3y ago>"Share our food, Share our homes and Share our countries" is quite a big demand on everyone else. I am certainly not willing to do so without limit and without regard to context Neither are a lot of the people who initially advocated for the policies, ie NYC, as we're finding out. Immigration is great. Unfettered illegal immigration is not. It puts pressure on social infrastructure and causes social strife. Look at us here in Canada. Most of our immigration is legal, and yet our wealth-per-person is shrinking because we can't build infrastructure fast enough to keep up with population growth.
- inglor_cz 3y agoThere certainly is an equivalent of NIMBY in Western asylum politics. A lot of Green/Progressive voters in Western Europe live in affluent neighbourhoods where practical effects of current migration waves are very limited, and often positive (e.g. cheap workforce for your household, but your kids' school does not suffer from any gang activity). Voting patterns across income groups tend to reflect that discrepancy.
- rmbyrro 3y agoI don't think this is a political advocacy. It's just a personal expression about a social issue. I found the way it was written quite thoughtful, actually, which I respect (though I don't like in its entirety). But I upvoted your comment because I don't think there's a reason for people to downvote your comment. It's absolutely acceptable that someone dislikes the poem and wants to express it here. People confuse the purpose of "downvote". It's not for disagreement. Downvoting buries a comment. We shouldn't bury something just because we disagree with it. That's against one of the most basic human freedom value. If it's just a disagreement, reply to it expressing your view.
- circuit10 3y agoIf an upvote is for agreement, does downvoting for disagreement not make sense? Or are upvotes meant for something else?
- tomrod 3y agoThere needs to be a separate mechanism for disagreement versus quality (affecting ranking). Both of these should be separate from flagging for moderation.
- munch117 3y agoThere is. Replying. If there already is a disagreeing reply, you can upvote that. Downvoting a constructive and well-written post just because you disagree is not justified.
- squeaky-clean 3y agoI downvoted it because it just leads to 2/3s of the thread being an off topic flame-war. Also like others have said, upvotes are not for agreeing. They are for rewarding higher quality discussion, on topic discussion, etc.
- rmbyrro 3y agoI think it's clear in my comment that I do not agree. I start with that upfront. I upvoted only to counter what I think are unfair downvotes.
- JodieBenitez 3y agoWait until you have to use something like npm or yarn... and try to read the hidden log messages between the emojis, the "support X or Y" messages, the jobs search, and more.
- usrbinbash 3y agoI think something run by an organisation with its own rules and guidelines, can be run any way that organization sees fit.
- s9w 3y ago[dead]
- jampekka 3y agoWe should leave it all to monied interests spending billions on propaganda?