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Everything aside, I enjoyed the "And now for something completely different" part.
by Alosra 3y ago
Everything aside, I enjoyed the "And now for something completely different" part.
- gettodachoppa 3y agoIt's so hecking wholesome I started crying. My wife's son came to ask me, "Frank, why you crying?". I had to explain to him there's evil people in this world who oppose open borders.
- CivBase 3y agoMaking some pretty harsh assumptions about a massive and diverse group of people here.
- goatlover 3y agoAh yes. People who disagree with you are evil. Maybe ask them why they disagree. Maybe they see societal problems with open borders. Maybe there's a reason governments don't just have open borders, and instead try to manage the immigration process.
- lvass 3y agoI dislike it because it's kinda hard to understand (can't really say I did) specially without any context, and programming language release notes are something people should read even a hundred years afterwards.
- seanhunter 3y agoWhy should programming language release notes be something people should be able to read in a hundred years? Secondly, why does adding this section affect that even if you think that?
- paulddraper 3y agoI'm curious about the circumstance leading to reading Python 3.12 release notes in 2123.
- Ancapistani 3y agoIsn't it obvious? Someone's "temporary hack" stopped working, and even though it's not been important enough to refactor for the past 100 years it's important enough to drop everything right now to fix when it breaks.
- lvass 3y agoPL research and reverse engineering or just fixing compatibility. Say you want a program from 3.6 era but the 107 year old interpreter doesn't quite suit you and the newest one broke something, and you bisect interpreter versions to find 3.11 to 3.12 broke it.
- behnamoh 3y agoMultiplanetary species that has merged with AI thanks to neuralink-esque tech discovers a bug in the brains of 5% of the population. Turns out the bug is due to Python 3.12 which was used to write the natural language understanding (NLU) engine of the brain chips.
- fiedzia 3y agoWe have Fortran code from several decades ago defining scientific domain knowledge. The next Einstein formula may require 3.12 to run.
- tomrod 3y agoI totally disagree with your opinion. I liked it because I found it easy to read (both in skim and in depth, as well as backwards), didn't require additional context (title was included), and programming release notes capture the historical context of the release (where refugees are subject to extreme NIMBYism in our day and age).
- 0xFF0123 3y agoI'm curious what aspect of the poem you don't think will be relevant in a century from now?
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- rollcat 3y agoA place should belong to whoever wills to take good care of it. We're all just passengers on the starship Earth. Even Python is no longer the same language that I learned almost 20 years ago, but I'm happy of what its current stewards have made of it.
- ellisv 3y agoRead it as Yoda, do not
- diarrhea 3y agoGreat! Hadn’t seen that initially. That’s what I adore about truly open source projects such as Python, but also Linux or Rust, for example. They’re not polished products of faceless corporations. They have rough edges, as everything does, and that’s okay. And time and again some human spirit shines through, like it does here. A welcome reminder we’re all in this together, and that next quarter’s shareholder revenue is genuinely meaningless in the bigger picture.
- fiedzia 3y ago> That’s what I adore about truly open source projects such as Python, but also Linux or Rust, for example. They’re not polished products of faceless corporations Most corporation products are absolutely horrible comparing to Python, the polished ones you know of are few exceptions. I've seen a few internal programming languages and anything publicly known is ... at least usable.
- tarheels100 3y agoIt's a poem advocating empathy, people, not an edict on border control policy. Are people really so sensitive that they can't handle being reminded that other people may think differently than them?
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- wheelerof4te 3y agoNeedless political commentary. It's better to stick to programming. Leave politics to politicians.
- Bostonian 3y agoI don't think political advocacy belongs in an announcement of a Python version.
- stuckinhell 3y agoI agree, we should be allowed to have areas free of politics.
- istjohn 3y agoWhy? Everything is political.
- beepbooptheory 3y agoThose weathered by enough time and strife in this forum could predict this comment and ensuing thread a mile away after reading the announcement. After enough iterations, it all feels like a dance or ritual. Like watching birds mingle and bicker out your window. Just another day, the universe humming along. Things are as they should be :)
- CogitoCogito 3y agoIf you'd like to see another viewpoint (or no viewpoint) espoused, volunteer to help Python with their releases and you'll have a chance to provide input to their release process.
- uoaei 3y agoI don't think it's your authority to say what should or shouldn't belong in a release you have no contribution to!
- robertlagrant 3y agoPeople are allowed to think things, and say what they think. Just as you did.
- uoaei 3y ago
- xwowsersx 3y agoHehe interesting. The forwards reading was a bit of a stretch.
- nothingnew2 3y agoI like how you get to read it in the direction you most agree with. Very politically balanced!
- photochemsyn 3y agoNot really, it's more of a 'construct-a-box-to-have-an-argument-in' approach. E.g. one could go off laterally in many directions. We could say, 'easy immigration policy is a neoliberal plot to drive down wages in the USA to ensure that current wealth inequality is maintained' or we could say 'immigration is wonderful because it brings in highly skilled people with unique talents and perspectives that are of great benefit to the US economy', and so on. It's a complex topic with a lot of historical context and there are at least half a dozen ways to analyze it from a cause-and-effect perspective - just the kind of discussion that social media can't handle well. The reversibility trick is kind of cute - but can anyone write a legitimate Python code statement that also works in reverse? I sort of doubt it, the function declaration has to come first.
- wheelerof4te 3y agoThe point was to read it both ways, so someone can score a political point on open borders policy. Needless and pointless on release notes page of a programming language.
- teddyh 3y agoIt’s actually the opposite of balanced; it’s polarized.
- nothingnew2 3y agoPolarised, but still balanced due to the symmetric nature of the poem's structure!
- teddyh 3y agoPolarized-but-balanced is at least as misguided as separate-but-equal.