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It's just a country like any other, most of us are proud of the things our country has done.
by rjh29 3y ago
It's just a country like any other, most of us are proud of the things our country has done.
- cassepipe 3y agoWell I must be part of the exception then. I am not proud of anything I have not directly contributed to. Feeling proud for other people achievements is very strange to me.
- rjh29 3y agoI assume you don't feel shame for things your fellow humans have done either? Anyway everyone is different, but I'm talking about neurotypical people mostly.
- zaphirplane 3y agoInteresting, I’m surprised that you think the average person feels shame over the actions of bad people. I would have said sadness in sympathy to the victims and disgust for the bad person
- taeric 3y agoI would be surprised if most people don't feel some shame when a sibling or other close relative does something bad? Heck, most of us are effectively different people than we were in the past. And we very much feel some shame when we find out something bad we did back when.
- zaphirplane 3y agoThe statement that I was replying to was about feeling shame for actions by other humans anywhere, anytime. I think there is goal post movement in your response. Do you feel shame when you read about someone stealing a bike in a far country whose capital you wouldn’t know ? You must be in despair over all the crimes committed by humanity every hour
- taeric 3y agoI am merely pointing at the trivial connections to others. Hinting at the idea that any line in the sand between you and others that you will feel an identity with is a line you will draw. That others will draw it somewhere else should be no surprise. Do I also think it is arbitrary? Yeah. But I am also ok not feeling shame at stupid crap my immediate family has done. I just have no surprise that others do.
- smabie 3y agoYou wouldn't feel shame for if your kid murdered someone?
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- wander_homer 3y agoThere's obviously a big difference between your own kid and some other kid. When my own kids do something terrible, I'm obviously going to reflect on whether I did something wrong as well when I raised and educated them and hence might be ashamed of that. But why would I be ashamed when my neighbor's kids murdered someone?
- afavour 3y agoIt's just an extension of society in general. I live in a neighbourhood, I am a member of the community. I am proud of my neighbourhood even though I am not directly responsible for everything positive within it. Same principle scales all the way up to countries. It's a way of bringing people together (see: national sports teams). Nationalism is, uh, not without its downsides. But the motivations are pretty clear.
- taeric 3y agoI mean, you aren't one in a million rare, but it should be fairly obvious from the existence of sports fans that pride over other's accomplishments is very much a common trait. My guess is you are taking a narrower view of this than you intend? People don't necessarily take personal pride in what others have done. But identity is both personal and societal. And any accomplishment of identity is something that people are likely to feel pride in. That is, pride is often tied to identity. And identity has a pretty wide brush.
- lost_tourist 3y agoIt's tribalism and it's not going to be 100% present in every individual, but it's still pretty prevalent in humans. It's a neutral concept and I hope has more upside than downside, depends on the situation I guess.
- lmm 3y agoUnicode is standardised in a way that uniquely screws the Japanese language. So using "international" applications tends to be uniquely bad in Japan.
- rjh29 3y agoCould you elaborate?
- lmm 3y agoLook up "Han Unification" - Unicode reuses codepoints for characters from Chinese and Japanese (also traditional Korean, but those characters aren't really used in modern Korean so it's much less of an issue), even though these characters actually look quite different. So any given font will look wrong in either China or Japan. Since China is the larger market, almost all "international" applications plump for a font that looks right in China and wrong in Japan.
- rjh29 3y agoSure, I was wondering if there were any other issues. On my phone I just added Japanese as a language and it now prefers those. Windows seems to support it fine too, as does Chrome on Linux. I guess there are problems if you try to use two languages in the same application.
- lmm 3y ago> On my phone I just added Japanese as a language and it now prefers those. Windows seems to support it fine too, as does Chrome on Linux. Is the text you're reading getting rendered in Japanese characters? Or is it getting written in similar-but-not-quite-the-same (and thus something you can use, but irritating to do so) Chinese characters?
- rjh29 3y agoThe former. You don't even need it as the primary language, secondary is enough. You can also set the language per app. (Samsung)
- Tijdreiziger 3y agoAnd yet, cheap Chinese manufacturing has taken over the world. When it comes to money, pride isn't so important to most of us.
- simonebrunozzi 3y agoMy guess is that you never visited Japan, or spent significant time with Japanese people. Am I correct?
- wink 3y agoGerman here. If it's digital, be extra critical, especially if the government is involved ;)