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Well when a refugee with 2 kids gets 1890€ in cash, Kindergeld on top, free health insurance and free housing… I am also becoming very quickly populist and even

by lnsru 3y ago

Well when a refugee with 2 kids gets 1890€ in cash, Kindergeld on top, free health insurance and free housing… I am also becoming very quickly populist and even neo-nazi follower. That’s income level of white collar worker after university studies and few years work experience. This nonsense with uncontrolled immigration must be over asap. Get the people some warm shelter and warm food, don’t throw money at them!

bugglebeetle 3y ago
> I am also becoming very quickly populist and even neo-nazi follower Yikes. Go read a history book before you end up like your predecessors from the 30s and 40s.
killdozer 3y ago
"Look, you're just FORCING me to become a 'neo-nazi follower' by helping these people too much!"
- zuzu89 3y ago
  This is what happens when the established parties refuse to do anything about it and don't even address the issue seriously, instead immediately labeling people who see the problem as "Nazis." The obvious conclusion from this is that these people are inevitably supporting parties that see this is an issue.
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  It’s a very poor tasteful way of saying anti-immigrant sentiment doesn’t appear in a vacuum. That some auto label such people with this sentiment as neo Nazis is another issue.
- Gud 3y ago
  A more apt description would be, taking money from Insrus pocket and giving it to someone else. Someone who deliberately broke the rules and exploited a system designed to help people in need. I'd be pissed too if that were to happen to me.
- inglor_cz 3y ago
  While playing around with the N-word is certainly distasteful, the underlying question is pretty crucial. Once upon a time, when Western economies were relatively stronger (compared to the rest of the world) and Western nations much younger, idealistic people constructed asylum systems that were rather generous to asylants and awarded them the same welfare payments as to the locals. Year by year, the "global parameters" have shifted bit by bit, and these idealistic systems are now unsustainable. Germany cannot afford to be Sozialamt for millions of young men that manage to get there. It has too many unmet obligations towards its citizens, and most people tend to agree that citizens should come first. Refusal to even look at this situation and reflexive blaming of all problems on "far right disinformation etc" will only make the necessary correction in the future much more painful and complicated. Some countries, like Denmark, already understood the situation and adjusted their systems so that they don't attract people looking for better living standards under the guise of asylum.
PurpleRamen 3y ago
Your numbers looks very wrong. Any source for your claim?
- lnsru 3y ago
  My numbers are very right. Straight from the table of the lady who processes this particular case in local Finanzamt.
  - PurpleRamen 3y ago
    So you don't have any source, just some anecdotal claim, which contradicts public data. And since when is the Finanzamt responsible for refugees? That's the job of the Sozialamt. Are you maybe talking about a guestworker, not a refugee? Because refugees are unable to receive Kindergeld, unlike workers of jobs with social insurance.
    - lnsru 3y ago
      Please start reading about the benefits for Ukrainian refugees. Then comment. Thank you.
      - PurpleRamen 3y ago
        Ukrainians are a special case. They are not handled as refugees, but EU-citizen, meaning they enter the normal social system. And this is beneficial for Germany, as Ukrainians are also able to enter the job market because of this. But even then your claims are sketchy. Even with Bürgergeld 1 adult + 2 kids needs to be an extreme case for such an amount.
        lnsru 3y ago
        I don’t know about if this is beneficial. I was born in Soviet Union as most of the Ukrainians and I have rudimentary russian language skills. I just don’t hear from refugees about great joy being in Germany and working here. Rather about stupid Germans giving money for free. When I brought trailer full of kitchen parts and Kleinkram to the shelter the so called refugees were standing and looking while German female helpers were offloading the stuff. I was invited into bbq with friendly Ukrainians who work very hard on poverty limit and live in Germany since 2014 and they invited their extended family who were “refugees”. It was 3 hours full of complaints about Germany, bad hotel, not cool place (somewhere Bad Tölz where people pay sick money to make hiking vacation). Elephant is in the room, Germany has uncontrolled immigration problem. There is no need to see me as a nazi reinstalling gas chambers. But these all people are refugees, let’s give them warm shelter, warm food and 10€ a day for personal expenses. Ok, maybe 15€ per day. But don’t treat them better than other people living and working in Germany for many years.
dauertewigkeit 3y ago
What is ridiculous is that a "refugee" who burns his papers gets all that help. Then at the same time I had students who had to leave Germany because they did not find a job in time after their masters. These students have worked throughout their stay here and even payed into the system but were deemed either too foreign or too rich to get any financial assistance while searching for a job. Germany is a weird place where if you play by the rules you get a very harsh treatment but if you cheat the rules you can get a lot of free shit.

by lnsru 3y ago

bugglebeetle 3y ago

> I am also becoming very quickly populist and even neo-nazi follower Yikes. Go read a history book before you end up like your predecessors from the 30s and 40s.

killdozer 3y ago

"Look, you're just FORCING me to become a 'neo-nazi follower' by helping these people too much!"

zuzu89 3y ago
This is what happens when the established parties refuse to do anything about it and don't even address the issue seriously, instead immediately labeling people who see the problem as "Nazis." The obvious conclusion from this is that these people are inevitably supporting parties that see this is an issue.
seanmcdirmid 3y ago
It’s a very poor tasteful way of saying anti-immigrant sentiment doesn’t appear in a vacuum. That some auto label such people with this sentiment as neo Nazis is another issue.
Gud 3y ago
A more apt description would be, taking money from Insrus pocket and giving it to someone else. Someone who deliberately broke the rules and exploited a system designed to help people in need. I'd be pissed too if that were to happen to me.
inglor_cz 3y ago
While playing around with the N-word is certainly distasteful, the underlying question is pretty crucial. Once upon a time, when Western economies were relatively stronger (compared to the rest of the world) and Western nations much younger, idealistic people constructed asylum systems that were rather generous to asylants and awarded them the same welfare payments as to the locals. Year by year, the "global parameters" have shifted bit by bit, and these idealistic systems are now unsustainable. Germany cannot afford to be Sozialamt for millions of young men that manage to get there. It has too many unmet obligations towards its citizens, and most people tend to agree that citizens should come first. Refusal to even look at this situation and reflexive blaming of all problems on "far right disinformation etc" will only make the necessary correction in the future much more painful and complicated. Some countries, like Denmark, already understood the situation and adjusted their systems so that they don't attract people looking for better living standards under the guise of asylum.

PurpleRamen 3y ago

Your numbers looks very wrong. Any source for your claim?

lnsru 3y ago
My numbers are very right. Straight from the table of the lady who processes this particular case in local Finanzamt.
- PurpleRamen 3y ago
  So you don't have any source, just some anecdotal claim, which contradicts public data. And since when is the Finanzamt responsible for refugees? That's the job of the Sozialamt. Are you maybe talking about a guestworker, not a refugee? Because refugees are unable to receive Kindergeld, unlike workers of jobs with social insurance.
  - lnsru 3y ago
    Please start reading about the benefits for Ukrainian refugees. Then comment. Thank you.
    - PurpleRamen 3y ago
      Ukrainians are a special case. They are not handled as refugees, but EU-citizen, meaning they enter the normal social system. And this is beneficial for Germany, as Ukrainians are also able to enter the job market because of this. But even then your claims are sketchy. Even with Bürgergeld 1 adult + 2 kids needs to be an extreme case for such an amount.
      - lnsru 3y ago
        I don’t know about if this is beneficial. I was born in Soviet Union as most of the Ukrainians and I have rudimentary russian language skills. I just don’t hear from refugees about great joy being in Germany and working here. Rather about stupid Germans giving money for free. When I brought trailer full of kitchen parts and Kleinkram to the shelter the so called refugees were standing and looking while German female helpers were offloading the stuff. I was invited into bbq with friendly Ukrainians who work very hard on poverty limit and live in Germany since 2014 and they invited their extended family who were “refugees”. It was 3 hours full of complaints about Germany, bad hotel, not cool place (somewhere Bad Tölz where people pay sick money to make hiking vacation). Elephant is in the room, Germany has uncontrolled immigration problem. There is no need to see me as a nazi reinstalling gas chambers. But these all people are refugees, let’s give them warm shelter, warm food and 10€ a day for personal expenses. Ok, maybe 15€ per day. But don’t treat them better than other people living and working in Germany for many years.

dauertewigkeit 3y ago

What is ridiculous is that a "refugee" who burns his papers gets all that help. Then at the same time I had students who had to leave Germany because they did not find a job in time after their masters. These students have worked throughout their stay here and even payed into the system but were deemed either too foreign or too rich to get any financial assistance while searching for a job. Germany is a weird place where if you play by the rules you get a very harsh treatment but if you cheat the rules you can get a lot of free shit.