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So you're going to drive a multi-ton vehicle instead of bringing a folding cart?

by undersuit 3y ago

lazide 3y ago
When it’s easier and (value of time) cheaper, why not?
- undersuit 3y ago
  You seem to have different issues than the person I'm replying to. Maybe your situation is different. If you nearest grocery store is 45 minutes away by walking maybe your situation requires a different solution than someone who has expressed interest to walk but stated that they might buy too many groceries to walk that home.
  - lazide 3y ago
    Nope. A car is convenient (the comment I was replying too) in both situations! Weird, eh?
    - undersuit 3y ago
      I find it convenient to walk to my grocery store. It's inconvenient to have too many groceries regardless of my conveyance home.
      - lazide 3y ago
        Too many groceries to conveniently carry by hand in one go != too many. For some of us, anyway.
avalys 3y ago
Yes, because we're a wealthy and productive society and the fruits of human progress in the past 300 years have allowed us to build a civilization where nearly everyone can afford to use a multi-ton machine of nearly incomprehensible complexity and sophistication to carry them around, instead of pushing a cart like a peasant 5,000 years ago did.
- undersuit 3y ago
  Yes we can afford this now. In the context of "Tire Dust Makes Up the Majority of Ocean Microplastics" how long can we afford this? Just like dumping Freon, and CO2 into the atmosphere have long term consequences that require our society to change, how long can we go aerosolizing rubber?
  - avalys 3y ago
    Governments have paid very little attention to this problem to date. It seems like regulation on chemical composition of tires might be warranted. I don't have a problem with that. The fanatic anti-car people will actually reduce the chances of meaningful regulation being passed here - as they won't be able to resist trying to use this opportunity to actually make cars more expensive and less accessible to people, and reduce overall car use, etc. Thus, reasonable people who are not fanatically opposed to cars will be suspicious of whether the proposed regulation is really needed, or just an excuse to achieve socio-political goals that can't be achieved directly. This is exactly the same dynamic that affects other issues, e.g. gun control. The extremists will block reasonable progress.
  - seanp2k2 3y ago
    I wonder how hard it would be to capture this with some kind of aero device in the wheel wells of vehicles. Given what F1 teams can do with aero, it doesn’t seem like a huge stretch to be able to suck up these particles at the source and pass them through a filter bag like a household vacuum or something.
    - uoaei 3y ago
      That's a fascinating idea. I hope someone (you?) pursues it.
    - wyre 3y ago
      I think the issue is the particles are from the friction of the road and to effectively collect the particles it would drastically reduce tire clearance, not an issue for F1, but for the consumer market tire clearance is important, for some reason.
seanmcdirmid 3y ago
I have a wheeled shopping cart thing (not sure what to really call it, but it’s the standard one). I can only fit some milk and a few things in there, it is no where near as capable as my car. I still use it, since I don’t like driving to the store (we live near 3 big grocery stores, and a soon to be closed city target), and it’s useful for getting snacks to school when it’s my turn, but I don’t see it as a car replacement.

So you're going to drive a multi-ton vehicle instead of bringing a folding cart?

lazide 3y ago

When it’s easier and (value of time) cheaper, why not?

undersuit 3y ago
You seem to have different issues than the person I'm replying to. Maybe your situation is different. If you nearest grocery store is 45 minutes away by walking maybe your situation requires a different solution than someone who has expressed interest to walk but stated that they might buy too many groceries to walk that home.
- lazide 3y ago
  Nope. A car is convenient (the comment I was replying too) in both situations! Weird, eh?
  - undersuit 3y ago
    I find it convenient to walk to my grocery store. It's inconvenient to have too many groceries regardless of my conveyance home.
    - lazide 3y ago
      Too many groceries to conveniently carry by hand in one go != too many. For some of us, anyway.

avalys 3y ago

Yes, because we're a wealthy and productive society and the fruits of human progress in the past 300 years have allowed us to build a civilization where nearly everyone can afford to use a multi-ton machine of nearly incomprehensible complexity and sophistication to carry them around, instead of pushing a cart like a peasant 5,000 years ago did.

undersuit 3y ago
Yes we can afford this now. In the context of "Tire Dust Makes Up the Majority of Ocean Microplastics" how long can we afford this? Just like dumping Freon, and CO2 into the atmosphere have long term consequences that require our society to change, how long can we go aerosolizing rubber?
- avalys 3y ago
  Governments have paid very little attention to this problem to date. It seems like regulation on chemical composition of tires might be warranted. I don't have a problem with that. The fanatic anti-car people will actually reduce the chances of meaningful regulation being passed here - as they won't be able to resist trying to use this opportunity to actually make cars more expensive and less accessible to people, and reduce overall car use, etc. Thus, reasonable people who are not fanatically opposed to cars will be suspicious of whether the proposed regulation is really needed, or just an excuse to achieve socio-political goals that can't be achieved directly. This is exactly the same dynamic that affects other issues, e.g. gun control. The extremists will block reasonable progress.
- seanp2k2 3y ago
  I wonder how hard it would be to capture this with some kind of aero device in the wheel wells of vehicles. Given what F1 teams can do with aero, it doesn’t seem like a huge stretch to be able to suck up these particles at the source and pass them through a filter bag like a household vacuum or something.
  - uoaei 3y ago
    That's a fascinating idea. I hope someone (you?) pursues it.
  - wyre 3y ago
    I think the issue is the particles are from the friction of the road and to effectively collect the particles it would drastically reduce tire clearance, not an issue for F1, but for the consumer market tire clearance is important, for some reason.

seanmcdirmid 3y ago

I have a wheeled shopping cart thing (not sure what to really call it, but it’s the standard one). I can only fit some milk and a few things in there, it is no where near as capable as my car. I still use it, since I don’t like driving to the store (we live near 3 big grocery stores, and a soon to be closed city target), and it’s useful for getting snacks to school when it’s my turn, but I don’t see it as a car replacement.